Poor TV ratings for AGP

[storyline]

Maybe 4 mill do watch it - but WHAT are they watching? They certainly are not watching anything to do with the lcoal surrounds - they see a race and that's it. Yes - they know where the race is being held but HOW many peopleactually go somewhere as a tourist because they watched a race? These are fugires that cannot be substantiated by anyone - race organisers, governments etc.

As I mentioned before - the ONLY motor sport telecast that does anything for the country they visit is presently A1 with their segment taking the drivers to some local 'tourist' or major attraction.

[peckstar]

i have delibratly gone to indy and daytona because of my interest in motorsport, so when i was in the states i went there. i stayed there, i spent money and there wasnt even a race on while i was there (ok the 2nd time i went to indy pratise was on, but i didnt know to i got there) please dont make stuff up, it taints the arguments. back up your statements with facts or experiences or some logic rather than just a personall opinion based on your political bias

[storyline]

You seem to take everything personally these days - having a few problems?

There is no political bias here - like it or not there IS concern about the amount of public funding being put into these events which do NOT provide a tangible return dollar for dollar. And I won't dispute that there are some around that will make the effort to go to these places - but they are an extremely small amount of people overall. I have done this sort of thing myself - gone somewhere because I happened to see a race on TV and wanted to have a look BUT - and you admit to doing the same - I didn't specifically go to that country or place BECAUSE I saw it on TV - I went because I could fit it into an already arranged package.

The 'facts' you ask for aren't available - you can get tourism figures - but these won't tell you WHY they came here, they merely say 'people went to X and Y' - they aren't the magic figures you so desperately want someone to produce.

But then go and talk to the people that supposedly benefit from these 'tourists' coming in and see if they agree with the governments assessment - the Canberra Auditor-General certainly didn't - he even went so far as to cal AVESCO liars. Funny how AVESCO never disputed that, isn't it?

[peckstar]

but all this is based on one report og the canberra auditor general, i can tell you why canberra failed and im pretty sure so can any person with any brain, part of it is the weather, part of it is canberra does not have the population to support it and part of it is a variety of other reasons like its not really a place people want to go to in the first place.

But we just surveyed two random motorsport fans and guess what they both went to places that have races.

i can tell you straight up they i set up family holidays around v8 races, a wek in tassie and a day at the races , a week in QLD and a day at indy, a week in Sydney and a day at the races. i wouldnt be there is the race is on, because i cant justify it

its not that i take it personally, it just you and other use a personal bias to drag dowm something i am interested in, you used made up information based on personal information that is based on rumour and speculation and often lacks fact or even any real truth

[pete55]

Originally Posted by peckstar

but all this is based on one report og the canberra auditor general, i can tell you why canberra failed and im pretty sure so can any person with any brain, part of it is the weather, part of it is canberra does not have the population to support it and part of it is a variety of other reasons like its not really a place people want to go to in the first place.

Why do VESA then go to Darwin and Tasmania and NZ then, and propose to go to Townsville.

[peckstar]

Pete. two words "government money", both of these races are heavily susidised.

Street circuits take the even to the people. nut you have to have people. Canberra dosnt, very quiet town.

townsville is a separate issue in that it has people and also has a large v8 supporter base and its not damn cold. but it does have hurricanes , hope they factor that in to the event. its also a place people want to go and would go back to more than once

[rustyinsthoz]

Originally Posted by peckstar

well maybe you should go to the clipsal site and read it

cleraly a number of times it says 2.082 million dollars, also in the cash flow it says an additional capital payment of 958,000. so 3.04 million long way short of your ridiculous 20 mill.

and obvoiulsy you are unable to read note 3 which says ticket sale 5.6 million or sponsorship and 7.8 million

so your blind and biased, or did you just make stuff up (BSA)


Stroyline so half a percent or 4 million people watch it overseas, thats a good thing isnt. better than no percent that have watched previuously and the number appears to be going up every year so we can expect that over time it might be 0.6 % or 5 million

Yep, you are right, they did recover 15 mil in fees etc. But for the event to exist the government will have to continue to pump in dollars, While atm it is 3 mil, there is no guarantee that it will stay at that. And if it turns to mud, it is the taxpayer that has to coff up the money.

[Trevor]

Originally Posted by peckstar

...townsville is a separate issue in that it has people and also has a large v8 supporter base and its not damn cold. but it does have hurricanes , hope they factor that in to the event. its also a place people want to go and would go back to more than once

Sounds just like Winton except you need to change the words "cold" and "hurricanes" around to read:

.........Winton is a separate issue in that it has people and also has a large v8 supporter base and its damn cold. but it doesn't have hurricanes , hope they factor that in to the event. its also a place people want to go and would go back to more than once

[peckstar]

Come on big trev, while you are right. it is winter in vicxtoria, you really cant expect 30c but in june there is a high probability it will be around 20c and sunny at winton. But it will be zero overnight and probably frost and it will be pretty cold at 4.30 and dark by 5.30

and rusty there is no gurantee it will stay that much either, did you notice they made a profit 20% more than the previous year and that include money from the govt being $500,000 less that the year before. so the trend is against what you are saying not for it. back to the drawing board. have some faith. enjoy one of the worlds great motorsport events rather than belittling it. I ( a victorian) should not be telling you how lucky you are to have it