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According to Brain Walden Holden is out, and so is half the field if GT3 is allowed in.
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As a racing fan first and foremost, rather than a competitor, i'm in favour of leaving the event as it is, for mass-produced showroom cars.
The GT organisers are in bed for VESA for a number of events these days, why not organise for the GT Championship to revive the "3hr" on the Saturday of the Supercheap Auto 1000? |
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Don't know where O'Brien's idea of 70+ cars comes from...lucky to make 20 if GT's are allowed to come on board. Decision will be made late April/early May, I'm lead to believe.
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Awesome News.
Lets face it - unless you have an Evo or a BMW - you are racing for a "Class Win" anyway. So if some entrants dont run so be it. So long as there is a number of classes running in the event - then GT3 would be an amazing addition to the B12Hr. I have attended every B12Hr in recent time, and I've enjoyed them all. But to see GT3 cars around that track for 12hours, well, that would be even better. I would worry about the Yaris being lapped every third lap.. but then again ,a solid race pace would be what ?? 2:20 or so maybe ?? Race pace for an Evo in the dry is about 2:30 - 2:35 .. Lets not forget, a well run EVO would still feature in the results - no question about that. Im sure Mitsubishi Australia would love nothing more then to say their car beat home a Lamborgini or a Aston Martin DBR... |
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I would love to see an Enduro for GT cars at Bathurst
BUT in the long term ruining the B12 for production cars would be a huge step backwards for Motor racing in Australia because it would kill off the prospect od developing the proper replacement for the race that put racing into the public perception as a top sport. Bathurst (and PI) developed the sort of racing that the general Australian sports fan and public grew up on. Racing cars that are seen as very close to what you can buy and drive is the very basis of mass recognition of the sport. The marketing hype of V8SC has pushed that line while actually taking the sport further and further away from it as the truth. The market is increasingly understanding that the Ford v Holden thing is now irrelevant, and that the formula is a great entertainment medium but has little to do with motoring or sport. We need a proper showroom race for affordable cars to get the grass roots young fans back to racing rather than drifting and computer games. To an 18 year old seeing cars race that you are saving your money to drive is the thing that converts them to becomung involved both as a spectator and at club level. It also encourages participation in the sport by a whole range of businesses in the motor trade and by dealers, distributors, importers and hopefully manufacturers. Much as I love the GT class the exotics do not achieve that level of involvement. No one is going to prepare and run an SS, an XR6 or 8, a Mitsu Evo, a Mazda MP3, a BMW etc etc. to be lapped a dozen times by a fleet of Porsches. The race then fails the rellevance test and will disappear as the very restricted number of people who can justify running a GT car loose interest, or judging by the damage at the AGP, run out of money. |
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GT3 cars are NOT 24 hr cars. to run a GT3 car for a 12 hour race basically costs almost as much as a 24hr race. you are bang on... a 1 hr race on friday, and a 3 hr race on saturday would be PERFECT. the only change i might offer up is to switch that... do the 3 hour race first... then the 1 hour after that. Having said that, I get immense satisfaction from running Ted, and to help him run a 12 hour race and do well would be massivley personally motivational. But I WILL tell him what it can cost before hand! |
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Thank you for your input ff s ... it is good to hear what the guys that actually run the GT3 cars are thinking about the idea.
Is a 3 hr/1 hr format somethng that is being discussed at the moment do you know ? The press release seems to read that the promoters of the 12 hour and the GT3 class are talking, but without giving away what the result might produce. As i have stated here on this thread i am quite passionate about the current guise of the 12 hour, as many of the competitors are and not keen to see the race's fabric compromised. But I am keen to see the whole event move forward to bring a greater range of entertainment for the spectators that make it out. I think that Oldtony as summed it up very well. I am not Anti-GT3, just think that it isnt the way forward for the 12 hour race specifically. However.... I think another drawcard race would be good. a 3hr GT3 race would be awesome, and the two events would compliment each other very well, without destroying the 12 hour's relevance to the market, and giving the GT3 guys an affordable endurance event. Most of the GT3 guys are at the track anyway racing in the 12 hour.... Seems like such as easy solution.... |
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Well if the GT cars are joining the 12hr,people may as well get used to it. It will work. Im suprised that people dont believe the 24hr was a failure. It ended due to politic's not entries or spectators. Check the footage out from the events. Check mine on youtube and see the development. There were more people at the 2002 or 2003 than any of the 12hr events. The fields were growing with even bigger fields expected in 2004.
Some may drop out but others will join the ranks. It will become an even bigger event than now. |
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Perhaps the most logical thing would be to grow a proper, independent Sports/GT enduro in parallel with the 12hr production race as both have a place in the callendar. Why not start with a 6 hr as part of the Easter Festival of Sporting Cars each Easter. Would probably take 2 or three years to build status and could become the central feature of the Festival. If it can then start to gather the entry, the spectator, media and sponsor support it could go on to increase in length and assume a sort of antipodean Nring or Spa 24hr status for a similar sort of entry.
My point is that developing the more exotic race should not be allowed to destroy the very Australian concept of a dedicated race for almost showroom cars that a majority of the population can at least aspire to owning without a lotto win. There is a place for both races, but they won't mix. |
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it's been confirmed, the Aus GT cars will run in the 12 hr next year.
Have mixed feelings, but I think I hope to be there ?? Lets hope they can get off the start... struggled at AGP |
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I know its early days yet but ffs what are the chances of Ted running in the 12hr? His new Gallardo wouldnt be eligible would it? Love to see the 360 though.
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Being a Production Sports Car competitor myself, I'm generally a fan of Production Car Racing, but I've never really been tempted to travel down from QLD to see the 12hr. From a spectators point of view, it's just not much of a spectacle.
On the other hand, I'm very excited about the prospect of seeing GT3 cars running in an endurance event at Bathurst again, and pending a decent entry list, I will be there with my ticket in hand to support the event. Of course for the event to succeed it will need the support of both groups. I hope the GT3 guys can find the sponsorship and finances to put together some decent numbers. I'm also hoping that the Production Car guys don't get turned off by the fact that they wouldn't be outright contenders and are still happy to fight it out for the class win. It's a recipe which has worked overseas in a number of 12hr and 24hr races and I hope it's one that can work here. |
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Well, the 12 Hour was good while it lasted. If next year's event somehow does manage to attract more than 25 cars I will be surprised and happily eat humble pie. At least the FoSC will continue to come to the Mount.
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Currently the brains at AGT () say that some GT3 cars are not eligible for their GT3 based category. 430 scud GT3, and Lambo 560 are such cars. But as it's a non championship round (I think?) I guess they'd allow it perhaps? 430 GT3 is ok though, Hector has left his car with me for storage/sale, so all you need is money I'll not allow the 360 to run... poor thing is out gunned nowadays. Happy to do a sprint, 1 or even 3 hour with it though. |
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