What points system in 04????

[deeks6]

I tell you what, you have changed my mind on the shootout. I have been against it, if for no other reason, that there are too many cars and conditions can change unfairly.
However, if it is done the same as F1, it would be good - cars go to parc ferme - because teams may opt for very different strategies.
And then you don't need the 5 pt pole...maybe 1 pt like Eoro F3, wher its worth 8th place.

[hgmonaro]

how about the 0,2,3 type of points. The winner gets 0, 2nd gets 2, 3rd gets 3, and so on for all finishers, DNFs get the Field + 1 (ie 30 starters, all DNFs get 31). So passing down the field gets rewarded, not finishing hurts. To add a qualifier aspect, everyone gets say 6pts before qualifying, top 5 get 0,2,3,4,5. Lowest pts wins.

To make it suitable for sponsors, take the points earned from the julien date that TC was born... surely a big enough number

Ohh, and who dosen't go to a the one race meeting near them due to the title already being decided? It would be a handful of people.

[RaceTime]

IOW lowest points wins the series?

How then, do you handle a DNS? Or, for instance, Lowndes barrel roll at Calder some years ago? He started race 1, got bowled out of race 2 (and, because it was red-flaged, he officially became a DNS not a DNF) and was DNS in race 3.

[hgmonaro]

If they enter the meeting they get the DNFs field + 1... a bit harsh if you don't front! But Lowndes did start.

Guess that won't work over a series

[RaceTime]

- probably wouldn't - how would Lowndes be for the next round though - didn't he sit out the following round because of bruising?

Hopefully you can see where I am coming from in this - if you gives points for non-participation or prmote lack of results, you can come unstuck very easily.

[deeks6]

Again, I cannot understand this shyte about fans not showing up if the title is decided. Skaife had the title wrapped up long before the end in 02 and yet near enough to a record crowd showed up for Sandown (in the RAIN). What utter nonsense!

Well, lets really make it go to the wire then...
Make it 35, 34, 33, 32, 31 for the first 5 then 30 for everyone else all the way to the back of the field but only 29 if you DNF, everybody gets a point for showing up, another point for qualifying, 2 points if you complete your pitstops, 5 points for the prettiest car (discretional, so if someone gets too far behind, AVESCO can give them a bump), 3 points for the best presented driver (ditto), 3 points for the best presented pitcrew, 3 points for the cutest gridgirl, a point for the biggest sponsor sign etc ... heck, we should be able to make it so that everybody's equal come the last round if we try hard enough!

So it would all boil down to one race.

Now lets see, didnt we change that in about 1970 or so?

[RaceTime]

Ahhhh - but what race? Let's make it....ummm - have to be a special one - so lets choose between Darlington Park, Calder Park or Parramatta Speedway.

Yep - make it the speedway - the first car to completely obliterate their number, all sponsor logos AND windscreen with mud will be declared the winner....

[dynamik gal]

I believe that pole position should be rewarded with 1 point, not 5, not 4, just 1.

[RaceTime]

Which pole position?

[deeks6]

Originally posted by RaceTime
Ahhhh - but what race? Let's make it....ummm - have to be a special one - so lets choose between Darlington Park, Calder Park or Parramatta Speedway.

Yep - make it the speedway - the first car to completely obliterate their number, all sponsor logos AND windscreen with mud will be declared the winner....

Can we make it a figure 8 speedway? And TC stands at the intersection directing?

[RaceTime]

Langley Park? Forget the bridge though....

[dynamik gal]

Originally posted by RaceTime
Which pole position?

Pole position from the shoot out - so the person who starts race 1 from grid position 1. should there be 2 or 3 races over the weekend, it is only the person who gets pole via the shootout that gets the point. should there be an occasion where no shootout is had, then the person who starts from position 1 from a qualifying session, etc, gets the point.

[RaceTime]

That's exactly why I asked because AVESCO and Ch 10 continually point out that there are multiple pole positions over a weekend...

[woodbine]

Originally posted by deeks6
On any fair system, Ambrose would have had the title wrapped up long before the last round but the rule makers are intent on making the title "go to the wire".

The last time that this subject came up a lot of people were in favour of the MotoGP system. Being the saddo that I am I ran last year's through it and guess what? The championship went down to the last round. I think people forget just how good Murf's comeback was and just how much Ambrose wobbled

[dynamik gal]

For those who don't remember the MotoGP points format, can you please refresh us? Cheers Woodbine.

[Raglanparade]

Yeah, i just think that if a team is not in the top ten they dont get points. thats clean and simple to follow.

Murph did do well last season to beat some of fords dominance and deny them bathurst !

-jason

[woodbine]

MotoGP gives points down to 15th, 25-20-16-13-11-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1.

It gives a decent score for winning but still gives an incentive for the the middle ranks without giving points for turning up

[dynamik gal]

If you times all these points by 3, then run down from 15 > 1 at the end, each of the 35 cars can be rewarded for competing in the race. I believe that points should be given for completing a race. Not just for showing up, but for getting out there and completing at least 50% of the race.

That would make 1st = 75, 2nd = 60, 3rd = 48, and so on down to 35th = 1 point. That gives a definite incentive to the top performers, as well as not dampening the spirits to those who are having a bad day but still coming say 16th - 20th due to other circumstances - being punted off by others, etc.

[racer69]

It should be 10-6-4-3-2-1. Same points for every race run, whether there are 1,2 or 3 races on the program, a 20 minute sprint or 1000km race.

And i really in the end didn't see the problem with dropping the worst round. It makes it a championship based on speed, not consistency.

And please no points for pole, laps led, points for passing......remember the points for winning the Peter Jackson Dash

[deeks6]

It should be speed AND consistency, surely. I also favour the 10,6,4,3,2,1 but i'm happy to go to 10th for the sake of it too, as long as the incentive and reward is there to win the damn thing.
By the same token, a good driver is also a smart driver and sometimes you have to accept that someone else is better on the day and just bring it home instead of driving it into the ground.

[RaceTime]

OK - let's now throw a spanner in the works.

10-6-4-3-2-1 for each race or based on points for each race and then awarded for the outcome of the meeting?

[woodbine]

For each race. Use the points from each race to work out the round winner, just so someone can have the trophy. Personally I would be happy to get rid of the "round winner" and then just concentrate on race wins

[Raglanparade]

Yeah i like the individual race idea. Oran Park has 2 races.. with points for each.
But for a long race like bathurst how can you justify the same points for a 100km sprint around barbagallo.
Maybe bathurst should be double points. or even triple points. seeing it would be possible for a driver to score three times the amount of points at Barbagello.

Maybe award points to 1-10th place for every race thats 100kms - 200kms. if the race is 200km - 300km its double points, and if its anything bigger then that its triple points.

-jason

[Joe5619]

I think the MotoGP points system should be used....

BUT BUT

Do not give out these points for every races... These are the points for the round!!! So if a round has 3 races (another system is used to rank drivers from 1st to 15th.. Maybe the system used to get the starting grid for the reverse race at Cambarra)... Then who ever wins the ROUND gets 25, the person who come 2nd for the ROUND gets 20 etc etc etc...

I like this for 3 reasons
1) If you win a round (or come 2nd etc etc ) you should get the same points as someone who won (or come 2nd etec etc) the round before...
2) Would save the points getting to 4 digit figures
3) if you DNF a race in a multi race round (ie race 2 of 3), you would not drop 25 points.. You'd still have the other races in improve your round position & try to get into the top 15 postions for the round & collect points...

[Bigguy]

Not wishing to rain on anybody's parade, but isn't this whole thread an exercise in futility?

1) It is too late to change the points system
2) AVESCO ain't gonna listen
3) Nobody is asking for a review of the situation