Delta Wing Discussion ONLY - Page 3

knighty · 11 Jun 2011, 11:07 (Ref:2895555)

this looks like a great little project, the ACO should be commended, but I'm sure in true ten-tenths style the ACO, deltawing, highcroft, Panoz & AAR will be slammed left right and centre for trying something new.......ffs give me a break......anyway, who has the engine supply deal?.......it sounds like a modern day WRC engine with 1.6L and 300bhp

Jamesy-18 · 11 Jun 2011, 11:13 (Ref:2895557)

Hideous looking car. Not a fan at all.

johntt · 11 Jun 2011, 11:41 (Ref:2895565)

I think a lot of people here have lost sight of what the ethos of the Le Mans 24 Hours is.

Le Mans was set up to allow manufacturers to advance and develop technology for road cars. It was designed to allow radical and innovative ideas to be put to an extreme test to see of they work.

Le Mans has never lost sight of this objective.

Now look at the Indy 500. That was set up with the same ethos as Le Mans. Now look at it...spec chassis with interchangable bodywork.

If you want stagnant spec racing bereft of innovation, Le Mans isn't the place for you.

fieldodreams79 · 11 Jun 2011, 11:50 (Ref:2895568)

I very much agree with you johntt, a lot of us have lost sight of that, but this design is barking up the wrong tree, IMHO.

SebringMG · 11 Jun 2011, 12:42 (Ref:2895589)

I very much support the ethos behind the project (light weight, lower power) but I have to say it is pretty ugly....worse than the Aston P1 certainly

**joeb** · 11 Jun 2011, 15:02 (Ref:2895716)

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Originally Posted by johntt

I think a lot of people here have lost sight of what the ethos of the Le Mans 24 Hours is.

Le Mans was set up to allow manufacturers to advance and develop technology for road cars. It was designed to allow radical and innovative ideas to be put to an extreme test to see of they work.

My sentiments exactly. This is one car doing something different - not a mandate for the entire field to look goofy. I like sportscar racing because of variety, so this just adds to that for me.

JAG · 11 Jun 2011, 15:48 (Ref:2895758)

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Originally Posted by fieldodreams79

I very much agree with you johntt, a lot of us have lost sight of that, but this design is barking up the wrong tree, IMHO.

So far it's just a render, the final car may look more conventional but still apply many of the same ideas.

JAG · 11 Jun 2011, 18:30 (Ref:2895866)

Car will test in December with twenty two tests planned, according to the designer on Eurosport.

miatanut · 11 Jun 2011, 18:41 (Ref:2895878)

This little car generates so much anger!

I was fortunate to be a fan starting in the late 60's and got to see lots of funky ideas tried out, most of which didn't work. I loved the variety. Auto racing has become quite stagnant in the last few years and I've dropped out as a fan. LeMans will be 90% of my racing viewing this year and I haven't gone to a race in over two years (normally went to three a year). If racing got back to allowing out-of-the-box ideas like this rather than over-specifying everything, I would become a regular fan again.

Kudos to ACO for having a bit of vision, and the DW team for not giving up despite the torrent of negative reaction from traditionalist racing fans.

dxk1 · 12 Jun 2011, 16:09 (Ref:2897174)

This thing should be tipped up on its end and launched towards the moon!

DK

johntt · 12 Jun 2011, 16:25 (Ref:2897182)

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Originally Posted by dxk1

This thing should be tipped up on its end and launched towards the moon!

DK

Please read my post above and reconsider your opinion.

If you are unable to do that, go and watch Gp2.

captain crunch · 12 Jun 2011, 16:37 (Ref:2897185)

Well this was my favourite of the 2012 Indycar proposals, mainly for its open-source philosophy which would've brought some innovation to a series that could desperately use some. That, and the seven-year-old me thought it looked cool. And still does. Bring it on I say, the more variety on the grid the better. And if it delivers on even half of the claims being made of it, it should be something quite special indeed.

dxk1 · 12 Jun 2011, 16:55 (Ref:2897195)

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Originally Posted by johntt

Please read my post above and reconsider your opinion.

If you are unable to do that, go and watch Gp2.

I think the technology that is supposed to be developed by this ethos is technology that should some day wind up in passenger cars, such a seat belts, better headlights, other safety features, diesel engines, etc. You can't even put doors on this thing and it would have trouble making a turn without flipping over like any other trike. Can you see this technology in a passenger car? We are all entitled to our opinions without snide remarks about Gp2.

DK

johntt · 12 Jun 2011, 17:56 (Ref:2897277)

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Originally Posted by dxk1

I think the technology that is supposed to be developed by this ethos is technology that should some day wind up in passenger cars, such a seat belts, better headlights, other safety features, diesel engines, etc. You can't even put doors on this thing and it would have trouble making a turn without flipping over like any other trike. Can you see this technology in a passenger car? We are all entitled to our opinions without snide remarks about Gp2.

DK

It features lightweight composite construction (road relevent) and a low drag design (elements of which can be incorporated into road cars) and a production based engine.

And please, do some research about how it will turn. Look out for something called 'torque vectoring'. Somehow I doubt someone of Bowlby's experience would design a car that can't turn properly. Lets see it run before passing judgement.

Its not a trike, it has four wheels.The front two happen to be very close together.

Fogelhund · 12 Jun 2011, 18:02 (Ref:2897285)

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Originally Posted by johntt

It features lightweight composite construction (road relevent) and a low drag design (elements of which can be incorporated into road cars) and a production based engine.

None of which is particularly groundbreaking, or interesting. It is a failed project looking for a home, and somehow found it. This does nothing to further the green "cause" that hasn't already been done, isn't a sportscar, at least with the drawings shown. I don't think that what should be the world's greatest race should have a side show, that doesn't achieve anything new, or have a marketing reason.

Hopefully it never ends up racing.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 12 Jun 2011, 18:30 (Ref:2897309)

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Originally Posted by Fogelhund

None of which is particularly groundbreaking, or interesting. It is a failed project looking for a home, and somehow found it. This does nothing to further the green "cause" that hasn't already been done, isn't a sportscar, at least with the drawings shown. I don't think that what should be the world's greatest race should have a side show, that doesn't achieve anything new, or have a marketing reason.

Hopefully it never ends up racing.

Motor racing has always been about innovation; Audi and turbo-diesels spring to mind, let it race.

Fogelhund · 12 Jun 2011, 18:38 (Ref:2897311)

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Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

Motor racing has always been about innovation; Audi and turbo-diesels spring to mind, let it race.

I think you missed where I stated this wasn't groundbreaking or interesting (innovative).

dxk1 · 12 Jun 2011, 18:39 (Ref:2897312)

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Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

Motor racing has always been about innovation; Audi and turbo-diesels spring to mind, let it race.

Le Mans is for sportscars! What does a deltawing jet plane design have to do with sportscars? This design should be applied in open wheel racing or single seater racing but not in sportscar racing. This car doesn't fit the sportscar metric is all I'm saying. New technology is a great thing, but you shouldn't be putting a round peg in a square hole. All of the lightweight technology and turbo-diesels can be tried and has been tried in sportscars at Le Mans. We encourage more cars like the turbines, electrics, hybrids, etc., we just don't encourage single-seater designs pretending to be sportscars. IRL should let them race, I would have no problem with that. The banked turns should keep it from turning on its side in the turns.

DK

**bjohnsonsmith** · 12 Jun 2011, 18:41 (Ref:2897313)

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Originally Posted by Fogelhund

I think you missed where I stated this wasn't groundbreaking or interesting (innovative).

That's your opinion, the thing is some people think it is.

Fogelhund · 12 Jun 2011, 18:44 (Ref:2897315)

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Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

That's your opinion, the thing is some people think it is.

Ok, so a lightweight formula car, with a stock based engine is ground breaking? Interesting.

The Porsche 918 RSR is ground breaking.

The Oreca Hope is ground breaking.

The Diesels were ground breaking.

Sparky was ground breaking.

The Howmet was ground breaking.

The BRM Turbine was ground breaking.

This thing is none of the above, in my opinion.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 12 Jun 2011, 18:54 (Ref:2897328)

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Originally Posted by Fogelhund

Ok, so a lightweight formula car, with a stock based engine is ground breaking? Interesting.

The Porsche 918 RSR is ground breaking.

The Oreca Hope is ground breaking.

The Diesels were ground breaking.

Sparky was ground breaking.

The Howmet was ground breaking.

The BRM Turbine was ground breaking.

This thing is none of the above, in my opinion.

You forgot the D-Wing's aero design and the vector steering.

Fogelhund · 12 Jun 2011, 19:44 (Ref:2897365)

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Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

You forgot the D-Wing's aero design and the vector steering.

The Aero design is nothing new, land speed records, dragsters, streamliners... it's been done before.

So I guess this car has a place on the grid due to the revolutionary vector steering.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 12 Jun 2011, 19:54 (Ref:2897373)

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Originally Posted by Fogelhund

The Aero design is nothing new, land speed records, dragsters, streamliners... it's been done before.

So I guess this car has a place on the grid due to the revolutionary vector steering.

It's new for a race car designed for racing on a track. I don't remember seeing a car like this on the race track before.

Fogelhund · 12 Jun 2011, 20:26 (Ref:2897402)

btw... the Vector steering appears to have been something for Indy only... doesn't appear in the materials for LM that I can see. I can't remember seeing a Semi-truck racing LM either, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 12 Jun 2011, 20:31 (Ref:2897404)

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Originally Posted by Fogelhund

btw... the Vector steering appears to have been something for Indy only... doesn't appear in the materials for LM that I can see. I can't remember seeing a Semi-truck racing LM either, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea.

From what I read, the Vector steering was for road/street courses not ovals.

A Semi at LM; now that would be interesting.

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