WEC Race 2021 6 Hours of Monza - Page 3

cavalo_mORTO · 16 Jul 2021, 17:17 (Ref:4061268)

Track was declared WET for FP1. Maybe there's 2 to 3 seconds still to find. Which would put it at 2008 petrol LMP1 pace.

Pandamasque · 16 Jul 2021, 17:32 (Ref:4061271)

The Toyota looks a lot more at home at Monza than at the 2 previous venues, judging by the body language.
https://youtu.be/hRHkDzlIU9w

**joeb** · 16 Jul 2021, 23:31 (Ref:4061317)

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Originally Posted by cavalo_mORTO

Track was declared WET for FP1. Maybe there's 2 to 3 seconds still to find. Which would put it at 2008 petrol LMP1 pace.

I had missed the wet track notification. I was following T&S and the weather stats they provide on there didn't mention rain.

**joeb** · 17 Jul 2021, 12:38 (Ref:4061406)

With 20 minutes left in the third free practice session the top Toyota is one second up on the second place car. That is a huge gap between the team cars, that I suspect won't be so large once we get to qualifying later today.

gert · 17 Jul 2021, 13:11 (Ref:4061413)

How strange: no moaning so far from either Vasselon, Glickenhaus or Sinault on how the LMP2's are WAY too fast and need to be slowed down.

Pandamasque · 17 Jul 2021, 13:30 (Ref:4061417)

To be honest, if this is how the gap is going to stay, for Monza it's too small. I expected a lot more from cars presumably designed for low drag and packing a massive power advantage. It just doesn't compute in my head.

In the latest podcast MP mentioned that his sources say GR010 has serious inherent problems and is to get a comprehensive "joker" redesign for next year. Which means it may not be the best benchmark for what an LMH can be. Which then puts a number of things, including "stratification" and SCG 007 performance, into a different perspective...

**Adam43** · 17 Jul 2021, 13:46 (Ref:4061418)

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Originally Posted by gert

How strange: no moaning so far from either Vasselon, Glickenhaus or Sinault on how the LMP2's are WAY too fast and need to be slowed down.

They’re all sandbagging

**Adam43** · 17 Jul 2021, 14:06 (Ref:4061420)

Tyres look like they may be a factor in the race. All could be affected, but Glickenhaus might be vulnerable there.

Hopefully not…

Ferrari333SP · 17 Jul 2021, 16:35 (Ref:4061449)

Sucks about the red flag; both Glick's put on new tires and were about to go for a flyer. Hoping for no mistakes in the race

Pandamasque · 17 Jul 2021, 17:06 (Ref:4061452)

Yeah, the red flag was a bit of an anti-climax. The WEC flied looks great at Monza, I must say. A breath of fresh air after all the wide open tilkedromes and the tilked-over Spa.

**bella** · 17 Jul 2021, 17:34 (Ref:4061455)

very interesting to compare and contrast to last week’s elms quali session.

have to say i agree about monza looking fantastic with these cars. should be some serious hustling going on in tbe race!

Simmi · 17 Jul 2021, 18:31 (Ref:4061460)

The Toyotas looked a handful on those hot laps.

**joeb** · 17 Jul 2021, 20:14 (Ref:4061482)

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Originally Posted by bella

very interesting to compare and contrast to last week’s elms quali session.

have to say i agree about monza looking fantastic with these cars. should be some serious hustling going on in tbe race!

Do you mean compare and contrast the times? Or the format?

**bella** · 17 Jul 2021, 20:17 (Ref:4061486)

the times - not convinced the vandoorne red flag will have affected many peoples grid position.

Mike E · 17 Jul 2021, 21:34 (Ref:4061498)

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Originally Posted by Simmi

The Toyotas looked a handful on those hot laps.

They seem to have struggled with heavy braking at all three tracks. Le Mans could be hard work.

**joeb** · 18 Jul 2021, 01:41 (Ref:4061517)

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Originally Posted by Pandamasque

To be honest, if this is how the gap is going to stay, for Monza it's too small. I expected a lot more from cars presumably designed for low drag and packing a massive power advantage. It just doesn't compute in my head.

In the latest podcast MP mentioned that his sources say GR010 has serious inherent problems and is to get a comprehensive "joker" redesign for next year. Which means it may not be the best benchmark for what an LMH can be. Which then puts a number of things, including "stratification" and SCG 007 performance, into a different perspective...

If Toyota got it wrong I'd be willing to bet the ACO will allow all manufacturers to make updates. In other words, the set 5 year homologation might not be set in stone.

**Adam43** · 18 Jul 2021, 01:54 (Ref:4061519)

Which, under the current style of rules, seems sensible and appropriate.

Might encourage Peugeot to be at Le Mans next year too.

TF110 · 18 Jul 2021, 07:32 (Ref:4061537)

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Originally Posted by joeb

If Toyota got it wrong I'd be willing to bet the ACO will allow all manufacturers to make updates. In other words, the set 5 year homologation might not be set in stone.

Not 100% on this but I thought I read in the new regs that one joker update is available to be used. Can't say for sure.

JoeW04 · 18 Jul 2021, 10:25 (Ref:4061574)

The 3 hours of Monza/the 3 hours of watching people’s reactions in the pits

Mike E · 18 Jul 2021, 10:28 (Ref:4061575)

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Originally Posted by JoeW04

The 3 hours of Monza/the 3 hours of watching people’s reactions in the pits

Ridiculous, isn't it?

Mike E · 18 Jul 2021, 10:29 (Ref:4061576)

At least we have dodged a safety car here

Pandamasque · 18 Jul 2021, 10:46 (Ref:4061583)

That LMP2 FCY restart was meme-worthy!

Also, I hope GTE, which is dead, I'm told, stays this dead for Le Mans.

What do we know about the SCG vs GR010 fuel strategy? Nice to see 709 showing some pace. And, actually, 708 is even faster now that the issue's fixed.

Those trap speeds in the WEC live timing (far right column), how far are they from actual top speeds? Toyota's showing 303km/h, surely that can't be right!

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Originally Posted by Adam43

Which, under the current style of rules, seems sensible and appropriate.

Might encourage Peugeot to be at Le Mans next year too.

Good point! I wasn't aware of the joker thing before MP mentioned it.

**joeb** · 18 Jul 2021, 11:45 (Ref:4061589)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pandamasque

That LMP2 FCY restart was meme-worthy!

Also, I hope GTE, which is dead, I'm told, stays this dead for Le Mans.

What do we know about the SCG vs GR010 fuel strategy? Nice to see 709 showing some pace. And, actually, 708 is even faster now that the issue's fixed.

Those trap speeds in the WEC live timing (far right column), how far are they from actual top speeds? Toyota's showing 303km/h, surely that can't be right!

Good point! I wasn't aware of the joker thing before MP mentioned it.

I was asleep for the first 90 minutes, what happened to the 708?

Pandamasque · 18 Jul 2021, 11:45 (Ref:4061590)

That Toyota hypercar goes like a real torpedo!

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Originally Posted by joeb

I was asleep for the first 90 minutes, what happened to the 708?

A sparkplug died at the very start. It ran on 7 cylinders and used the early FCY to do the repair.

bentley speed 8 · 18 Jul 2021, 11:46 (Ref:4061591)

The 708 Glick was running on 7 cylinders, apparently a spark plug was broken. They came in during an FCY to fix it.

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