IMSA Race TUSC Round 8: Mosport - Page 3

PointDSM · 11 Jul 2014, 04:02 (Ref:3432669)

It's soccer....I really don't understand the majority of posters here. It's not like it's the Packers for gosh sake!!?

P2
Viper
Non-Porsche

My votes.

TzeiTzei · 11 Jul 2014, 05:28 (Ref:3432675)

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Originally Posted by Articus

To be honest I don't see how the trap data paints an accurate picture. This data is not the end all be all. It's showing the BMW's as having a 1mph difference to the Vette's and BMW's having identical trap speed to the Vipers! Let me repeat. The Vipers!

If that was an accurate indication of grunt, the BMW's would walk all over the field because they have more down force than anyone out there.

They may be topping out at slightly similar speeds but the Viper and the Vette are hitting their top end much faster than the Ferrari and much much faster than the BMW. This is why having a setting of eyes is valuable

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I was thinking of this aswell. I mean, the top speed difference between the #90 DP and #42 Oak was about 3-4mph. And it certainly looked a lot bigger when Westbrook sailed pass Brundle halfway through the straight.

And thanks for that website Mike. I've sometimes tried to do something with those csv files but I have simply ran out of talent.

Lagunaseca_4life · 11 Jul 2014, 07:05 (Ref:3432694)

I think I might watch the World Cup on my iPad or simply dvr the race I dunno yet.

I wonder how are they going to control the start,as in penalties or aborted starts.if my memory is correct I remember a few aborted starts due to jumping the starts or incorrect formation.are they going to wait for one, two, or three rows to turn onto the straight,since it's such a short straight I can imgagine some one getting jumpy.i don't like to see split starts but I kind of hope gtlm and gtd back off a bit at the start I don't want to see Baltimore happen again.

Deleted · 11 Jul 2014, 08:11 (Ref:3432717)

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Originally Posted by PointDSM

It's soccer....I really don't understand the majority of posters here. It's not like it's the Packers for gosh sake!!?

I had to google to find out what Packers is. Nuff said

Articus · 11 Jul 2014, 12:41 (Ref:3432793)

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Originally Posted by TzeiTzei

I mean, the top speed difference between the #90 DP and #42 Oak was about 3-4mph. And it certainly looked a lot bigger when Westbrook sailed pass Brundle halfway through the straight.

This too. The speed trap data gives a somewhat superficial glimpse of how these cars are performing down a straightaway.

Max91 · 11 Jul 2014, 13:11 (Ref:3432806)

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Originally Posted by Accident

Thanks for posting that, really cool tool.

If you look at the data posted above, it shows the Risi car was the fastest in a straight line, and that the Porsches are right in the mix as far as top speed and average top speeds.

With around 4 mph difference between the average trap speeds of the entire class, I doubt you can see that standing trackside any better than people watching on TV can. Either way, timing data is more accurate and it doesn't agree with you.

Watkins Glen has great live-Jumbo Screens- Wifi-blah-blha--for all the data you want. Many observation areas to witness the race. After 6hrs, it is clear BOP is way off for fairness. Pulling away from the beginning of the race-(GTLM) vettes is so obvious. Just as I stated before, the head mechanic-912-GT3-RSR- said before the race- The vettes-v8 & v10-vipers have the advantage of torque & hp. The race was lost before it started.

fieldodreams79 · 11 Jul 2014, 13:13 (Ref:3432807)

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Originally Posted by PointDSM

It's soccer....I really don't understand the majority of posters here. It's not like it's the Packers for gosh sake!!?

Typical American.

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Originally Posted by Chiana

I had to google to find out what Packers is. Nuff said

Beautiful!

Back on topic...weather in Bowmanville looks perfect Friday and Saturday, but Sunday looks a little wet.

Matt · 11 Jul 2014, 14:36 (Ref:3432826)

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Originally Posted by Max91

Watkins Glen has great live-Jumbo Screens- Wifi-blah-blha--for all the data you want. Many observation areas to witness the race. After 6hrs, it is clear BOP is way off for fairness. Pulling away from the beginning of the race-(GTLM) vettes is so obvious. Just as I stated before, the head mechanic-912-GT3-RSR- said before the race- The vettes-v8 & v10-vipers have the advantage of torque & hp. The race was lost before it started.

Yes, the car won Daytona is down on power.

**joeb** · 11 Jul 2014, 14:36 (Ref:3432827)

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Originally Posted by Chiana

I had to google to find out what Packers is. Nuff said

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Originally Posted by fieldodreams79

Beautiful!

I hate the Packers so that made me smile.

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Originally Posted by fieldodreams79

Back on topic...weather in Bowmanville looks perfect Friday and Saturday, but Sunday looks a little wet.

So now we have to argue about BOP in the rain right? who has the advantage? DP or P2?

**skycafe** · 11 Jul 2014, 14:44 (Ref:3432833)

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Originally Posted by joeb

So now we have to argue about BOP in the rain right? who has the advantage? DP or P2?

I think wet would help neutralize the power difference, but think the same issue of getting temp in tires would exist. The drivers should make more difference then the cars?

TRspitfirefan · 11 Jul 2014, 14:50 (Ref:3432836)

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Originally Posted by joeb

So now we have to argue about BOP in the rain right? who has the advantage? DP or P2?

TEAM FALKEN TIRE FOR OVERALL VICTORY!

**joeb** · 11 Jul 2014, 14:54 (Ref:3432838)

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Originally Posted by TRspitfirefan

TEAM FALKEN TIRE FOR OVERALL VICTORY!

Ha! I forgot about that! I wonder what level of rain it will take to make that happen? Also I wonder if the new Porsche works as good as the old one on the Falken rain tires?

TRspitfirefan · 11 Jul 2014, 14:56 (Ref:3432840)

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Originally Posted by fieldodreams79

My soccer side of the brain and racing side of the brain are not communicating well these days. Thanks for the mention. I have cable and will need to make some tough decisions on Sunday on which to record.

I am somewhat fortunate, in that sports car racing is the only professional sport that really interests me, so the decision is an easy one.

(I do enjoy listening to baseball radio broadcasts.....GO CARDINALS!)

TRspitfirefan · 11 Jul 2014, 14:59 (Ref:3432842)

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Originally Posted by joeb

Ha! I forgot about that! I wonder what level of rain it will take to make that happen? Also I wonder if the new Porsche works as good as the old one on the Falken rain tires?

Sadly, I suspect that IMSA would red flag the race rather than allowing a GT overall victory.

Deleted · 11 Jul 2014, 15:04 (Ref:3432844)

And imagine the faces at the Continental tire board meeting the next morning - "blasphemy, we were assured to win every race outside Virginia"

Maelochs · 11 Jul 2014, 16:01 (Ref:3432854)

I guess friday practice isn't on FansChoice.TV. Oh, well.

**joeb** · 11 Jul 2014, 16:16 (Ref:3432860)

I like to throw out previous qualifying times as baselines to compare to. In ALMS history the top P2 times are from Penske in 2009 with a 1:04.3.

More relavent are the times from the past two seasons.
2012: Morgan Nissan 1:08.853 for Plowman
2013: HPD 1:08.785 for Conway

Both of those chassis types are still racing this year so lets see how close they can get to those times.

Also. Deltawing open topper had 1:10.531

GT pole in 2013 was 1:15.462 for the Viper

Maelochs · 11 Jul 2014, 16:21 (Ref:3432862)

Apparently the Ganassi BoP adjustment is working.

Max91 · 11 Jul 2014, 16:33 (Ref:3432867)

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Originally Posted by Matt

Yes, the car won Daytona is down on power.

Reliability won the race. Its a German thing.

TheMightyM · 11 Jul 2014, 16:34 (Ref:3432869)

Ganassi has either been very good or very bad this year, there seems to be no middle ground for them.

The three P2 cars are tops so far in practice.

Matt · 11 Jul 2014, 16:41 (Ref:3432874)

First DP 4th, .7 back from the leader.

Maelochs · 11 Jul 2014, 16:53 (Ref:3432882)

Timing and Scoring is badly broken---it shows the DWing in fourth ahead of all the DPs.

Maelochs · 11 Jul 2014, 17:00 (Ref:3432889)

K. Legge sixth in the session .... Very unsettling. At least the Mazdas are dependably slower than GTLM.

**joeb** · 11 Jul 2014, 17:00 (Ref:3432890)

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Originally Posted by Maelochs

Timing and Scoring is badly broken---it shows the DWing in fourth ahead of all the DPs.

After practice 1 Mosport seems to be shaping up as an Audi track in GTD. BMW seems to have some pace as well in GTLM.

TRspitfirefan · 11 Jul 2014, 17:03 (Ref:3432892)

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Originally Posted by Matt

First DP 4th, .7 back from the leader.

That's kinda meaningless at this point.
The quickest time of the session is over 2 seconds back of last years P2 times.

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Originally Posted by joeb

I like to throw out previous qualifying times as baselines to compare to. In ALMS history the top P2 times are from Penske in 2009 with a 1:04.3.

More relavent are the times from the past two seasons.
2012: Morgan Nissan 1:08.853 for Plowman
2013: HPD 1:08.785 for Conway

Both of those chassis types are still racing this year so lets see how close they can get to those times.

Also. Deltawing open topper had 1:10.531

GT pole in 2013 was 1:15.462 for the Viper

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