BMW M3 E30 - Group A/DTM 1987-92 - Page 3

Alex E · 23 May 2009, 17:39 (Ref:2467732)

Maybe have some pics somewhere, but it was in a terrible state.
The cars that ran in Japan are usually quite interesting as BMW Motorsport never sold a new M3 to Japan. Schnitzer sent the Chan M3 there as a new built car but all of the others almost certainly have a previous history in Europe.
Alex

rallyford · 16 Aug 2009, 15:28 (Ref:2522372)

hi, can you help to tell me where i need to look if i want to buy one. thank you

DAVID PATERSON · 18 Aug 2009, 07:31 (Ref:2523498)

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Originally Posted by rallyford

hi, can you help to tell me where i need to look if i want to buy one. thank you

There are two for sale in Australia. Try www.groupc.org.au or www.my105.com.au

rallyford · 28 Aug 2009, 07:54 (Ref:2529718)

I now own Prodrive 029 and I m searching for complet history, it was BMW French Tarmac car

JagtechOhio · 28 Aug 2009, 16:31 (Ref:2530004)

Beeeemers make me puke. Nice chick though, thanks for the pic.

ian beckett · 29 Aug 2009, 09:22 (Ref:2530303)

If that is your viewpoint,why on earth would you be reading a link specifically about them? How odd! Ian.

rocketman · 24 Feb 2010, 01:04 (Ref:2639441)

Hello,

I'm renovating #10820, a 1989 "kit" built and run by SDA Racing in French touring car events through '92. It was rented for Rafael Barrios to contest, successfully, the '93 Spanish touring car title. It was laterused to contest regional and national French hillclimbs, winning and setting records, from '01 to '07.

Any photos, records, memories or technical data would be welcome.

Freude am fahren!

Alex E · 24 Feb 2010, 07:53 (Ref:2639536)

You mean M3-1-082. The car was sold to SDA in January 1988, not 89. You might have an extra year of history to research !!
Alex

Jesper OH · 25 Feb 2010, 13:11 (Ref:2640325)

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Originally Posted by Alex E

You mean M3-1-082. The car was sold to SDA in January 1988, not 89. You might have an extra year of history to research !!
Alex

This is what I have found for SDA Sport and their cars for 1988. Beware, the information is quite sketchy, but hopefully of some help.

French Gr. A, round 1 – April 3 1988 – Nogaro
3rd – Gérard Bleynie

French Gr. A, round 2 – April 24 1988 – Le Mans Bugatti
3rd – Denis Morin/Joël Gouhier

French Gr. A, round 3 – May 1 1988 – Monthléry
no known info

ETCC, round 5 – May 29 1988 – Dijon
10th – Gérard Bleynie/Jean-Pierre Jabouille
DNF – Bernard Salam/Pierre Destic/Denis Morin

French Gr. A, round 4 – June 5 1988 – Le Chatre
no known info

French Gr. A, round 5 – June 19 1988 – Rouen
3rd – Gérard Bleynie/Lucien Guitteny

French Gr. A, round 6 – June 26 1988 – Clermont-Ferrand
no known info

French Gr. A, round 7 – July 24 1988 – Croix-en-Ternois
3rd – Gérard Bleynie/Lucien Guitteny

ETCC, round 8 – July 30-31 1988 – Spa-Francorchamps
DNF – Bernard Salam/Pierre Destic/Francois Chatriot

ETCC, round 10 – September 4 1988 – Silverstone
22nd – David Coyne/Vic Lee
23rd – John Clark/Andrew Jeffrey
Both cars entered under the John Clark Holdings name

ETCC, round 11 – September 9 1988 – Nogaro
4th – Denis Morin/Francois Chatriot
7th – Jean-Pierre Pla/Max Antichan
17th – Bernard Salam/Pierre Destic

French Gr. A, round 8 – October 10 1988 – Monthléry
2nd – Denis Morin/Ferdinand de Lesseps?
3rd – Bernard Salam/Pierre Destic?

French Gr. A, round 9 – October 29 1988 – Pau-Arnos
no known info

Jesper

jan bot · 11 May 2010, 21:40 (Ref:2688890)

We have chassis nr. M3 123407, the car is white outside and purple inside.
Does anybody know the history of this car? Thanks in advance, Jan.

brown dog · 11 May 2010, 23:20 (Ref:2688939)

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Originally Posted by jan bot

We have chassis nr. M3 123407, the car is white outside and purple inside.
Does anybody know the history of this car? Thanks in advance, Jan.

Hello Jan,

I don't have the chassis nr. of your car on my list, but comparing it to the chassis nrs. I have, it looks like a very late car, probably 1992? Does it have the later spec. cage that ran back to the "C" pillar?

Conrad

Alex E · 12 May 2010, 06:57 (Ref:2689035)

The colours you have are what Linder always used when they were a works team, but that chassis number is from `92 by which time Linder were no longer a factory tem. Is there a Linder chassis plate on the right front inner wing ?
Alex

jan bot · 12 May 2010, 20:14 (Ref:2689370)

Hello Conrad,
I am not sure what you mean, but there is a plate in the lefthand door opening with 1.91on it.

jan bot · 12 May 2010, 20:18 (Ref:2689372)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex E

The colours you have are what Linder always used when they were a works team, but that chassis number is from `92 by which time Linder were no longer a factory tem. Is there a Linder chassis plate on the right front inner wing ?
Alex

Yes Alex, there is a small black plate with FI 005 91 on it.

Jesper OH · 12 May 2010, 20:44 (Ref:2689384)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex E

The colours you have are what Linder always used when they were a works team, but that chassis number is from `92 by which time Linder were no longer a factory tem. Is there a Linder chassis plate on the right front inner wing ?
Alex

I think Linder fielded a striking orange Jägermeister (privateer) M3 in the capable hands of Armin Hahne for 1992. MC convert Wayne Gardner did a few late season races alongside ..or am I a year off?

Jesper

Alex E · 12 May 2010, 20:46 (Ref:2689385)

Hi Jan,
That is a little bit strange, if the Matter plate says 1;91 that is the buld date. Which does not tie in with the chassis number. Where did you find the chassis number & what other symbols were present??
Is the harness mounting on the rear parcel shelf? Or is there a harness bar?
Is there another main roll hoop in the rear window area? Where do the diff mounting bolts show? And are there only 2 or are there 4 ?

Alex E · 12 May 2010, 20:48 (Ref:2689386)

Jan, are you sure that is not LI instead of F1 ??
Alex

jan bot · 12 May 2010, 21:31 (Ref:2689417)

Here are some pictures of the car, everything you asked for can be seen Alex.
does this help you? Or does everything gets more confusing?

brown dog · 12 May 2010, 21:51 (Ref:2689432)

Hmm very strange! That is not a 92 shell, in fact it looks like a very early shell, as the airjacks at the front are in front of the wheels, and the front inner wheelarches do not look raised. Although the tag in the L/H door is from Matter, so it is a "proper" shell. The purple is not the Linder blue, theirs was more dark blue than this, I have not seen this interior colour before and I don't think it was originally this colour, most probably white.

Can you post a pic of the engine bay showing the front strut top mounts, and maybe some pics of the front and rear suspension, this might give some more clues to the build year?

Conrad

P.S. I have chassis #121407,(making it chassis 214) and mine is a late 92 spec. shell. But yours is an earlier spec. with a later number. (making yours #234) very odd.

jan bot · 12 May 2010, 22:41 (Ref:2689455)

Conrad, the colour on the pictures are not the real colours due to the flashlight. It is more purple. It is the original colour, there is no paint underneath it. Suspension is 1991 and there is ABS on the brakes. The wheel arches are not raised and there are a lot of Linder parts on it.

brown dog · 13 May 2010, 03:01 (Ref:2689542)

Hello Jan,
can you post a few more pics of the car? There might be some clues in the spec. or the paintwork. As you know ABS was only from 91 onwards, but the shell looks like an early spec. Possibly an early spec. car that was updated in 91 or 92. Do you have the original wagenpass, or any other documents that might give a clue to previous owners?

Conrad

jan bot · 13 May 2010, 10:10 (Ref:2689660)

Does this help you, Conrad? Richmotorsport raced the car in Hungary from 2001 to 2008. Outside the car was yellow at the time. There is an old Italian batery from the ninetys in the car. We don't have any original papers.
Regards,
Jan

brown dog · 13 May 2010, 10:42 (Ref:2689688)

Hello Jan,
that looks like an early shell to me, the cage design is pre 1990. as it only has one door bar, and the position of the airjacks as mentioned earlier is I think 1988 spec. It is running a Bosch Motronic which was usually pre 1990. Someone has retro fitted the ABS system and suspension, the ABS ECU does not normally sit on the tunnel where yours is. The steering wheel spacer is Linder I think. Something I have not seen on any Matter shells, is that the mounting platform for the (road car) spring is still visible, normally these were removed on the Gp.A and DTM shells. Can you put a picture of the engine bay?

Conrad

jan bot · 13 May 2010, 17:46 (Ref:2689904)

Conrad, here are some pictures. Regards, Jan.

brown dog · 13 May 2010, 19:27 (Ref:2689958)

Hello Jan,
I am wondering if this is a Matter shell at all? There are only two master cylinders in the engine bay, and the heater core still fitted is unusual. And the rear spring perch still fitted is very odd. What do you think Alex???

Conrad

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