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17 Apr 2017, 16:25 (Ref:3727358) | #51 | ||
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I'd be surprised if attendance was down at Sebring. I arrived on Wednesday to the largest Wednesday crowd I've seen in the 8 or so times I've been now. Our regular camping spot was already taken, years past there was no one even in the general area. Same went for race day, the viewing mounds were just as packed as ever.
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17 Apr 2017, 20:22 (Ref:3727402) | #53 | |
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Well ... if you say so. I didn't get that same feeling. In any case .... I still think that guy who said "IMSA has a good series in its hands ... and could drop it and break it irreparably pretty easily. I am sort of thinking messing with some of the most iconic and best-attended races is not the idea they are looking for." knows what's up.
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Autoweek had a nice little piece on the nearly 50 year history of imsa.
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24 Apr 2017, 22:01 (Ref:3728999) | #56 | |
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Why do some people want to cut P. LeMans.? We should want more racing not less.
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24 Apr 2017, 22:18 (Ref:3729001) | #57 | ||
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Budget, since IMSA does more racing a year than the WEC does, as the WEC outside of LM is only 6 hour races, while most IMSA races are 3 hours, but they have the odd 6, 10, 12, and 24 hour races, plus more races by number/volume a season.
IMO, the only cut I'd make would be to PLM, but make it like it was back in the ALMS days of 10 hours or 1000 miles, which comes first. |
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25 Apr 2017, 01:21 (Ref:3729028) | #58 | |
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Money i know is a problem, but PLM is considered a imported races. It shouldn't be screwed over.
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25 Apr 2017, 02:05 (Ref:3729030) | #59 | ||
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As I said, the only change I'd make to PLM is make it back to being a 1000 mile race. Another problem that IMSA has is that several circuits got left in the cold due to the ALMS/GA merger, namely Mid-Ohio. But that means that most likely someone's going to get the axe unless some of the race costs are subsidized by the series or sponsors.
There was a similar debate about adding Monza to the WEC to have all the low downforce tracks on the WEC schedule pre Le Mans, and have all the high downforce sprint races after. |
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As far as race time goes the WEC has more racing. IMSA just has three races that exceed 6 hours rather than just one, and three more scheduled race weekends. Unless I made a huge error in adding it up, the scheduled amount of race time in IMSA for 2017 is 65 hours, 20 minutes. In WEC it's 72 hours. The IMSA time is the total of all the races combined, but each class misses at least one race, so no class actually hits that total. (I didn't feel like doing the math for every individual class) Last edited by FormulaFox; 25 Apr 2017 at 02:27. |
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I realize that I don't write the checks, but the night racing aspect of PLM is compelling. There are few events that feature night racing in the US (Daytona, Sebring, Thunderhill) and seeing sportscars at night is a special thing. It would still be a good road race, but paring PLM back too much would deprive it of being an event.
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25 Apr 2017, 04:00 (Ref:3729040) | #62 | |
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A few years ago IMSA was 68h20m for P while WEC was 66 hours, by dropping Indy, extending Laguna Seca from 2h to 2h40m and shortening the 2h45m races to 2h40m it's now 66 hours while WEC added one race. But P is now the second lowest amount of race hours in the championship, PC misses Long Beach so it's at 64h20m, GTLM runs every race but Belle Isle for 69h40m and GTD runs every race for 71h20m. For the two street races practice time is extremely limited but I imagine if you added up total event session lengths IMSA comes out far higher than WEC.
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27 Apr 2017, 16:27 (Ref:3729503) | #64 | |
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I think i raised the point earlier that the only real way to "save money" at PLM would be to cut it entirely.
Same can be said of almost any race except Sebring and Daytona. Transport, lodging and food for the crew and the fuel for the hauler is the cost. once you are there two hours isn't much less expensive than four. PLM ... season closer ... they do a complete teardown anyway, so the extra hours don't cost as much as they do at the start or middle of the season. if they are going to cut races, I say make the rest four hours. However, I don;t know much about TV windows and such. I am pretty sure average race length is determined by what they can fit on TV, with a short interview of the winner. |
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The real cost is in distance of race track.
As someone based in SC, Canada and California races are crazy expensive. Long beach is almost as costly as Sebring. |
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Since I can't find a dedicated DPI thread, Racer Magazine and Daily Sports Car are reporting the possibility of a Lamborghini badged DPI program in the offing.
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If a Watkins Glen 6 hour is to remain a viable NAEC race then maybe IMSA should move it until later in the summer. To distance it from Le Mans. Perhaps swap it with the Road America date.
If you don't do that, then make it a 4 hour race and not a NAEC round anymore. I've brought up the idea before that cutting both Watkins Glen and Road Atlanta by 2 hours is ok in my mind to cut costs. |
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There's an historic appeal of 6 hours at the Glen. Agreed, nothing or very little should interfere with LM, but I like the 6 hour distance for this race.
Road America and PLM should go back to distance races, 500 and 1000 miles, respectively but TV is influencing race distances these days and a timed events work better for them. |
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Racing Team Nederland looking at Florida 36H next year with their Dallara P2: https://translate.google.com/transla...en&prev=search
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Moving the Watkins Glen race wouldn't change much. In late July it's the 24 Hours of Spa.
I insist that Petit Le Mans should be split into a 6-hour DPi / P3 race and a 6-hour GT race. |
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A prototype only race would, however, not be a bad idea... GT gets a couple of stand alones, so it would be only fair. Also having the P3s in the big show for one or two races would be a nice boon for them. Only downside might be the need for refuelling equipment.
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