Chevron B45 - Page 3

Steve Wilkinson · 11 Jul 2006, 16:20 (Ref:1653646)

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Originally Posted by Dan Rear

MM80 and MM81, Steve ???

Yes

allenbrown · 11 Jul 2006, 16:26 (Ref:1653652)

Steve

What do you have on Rowan's B45 apart from what I'll have seen in Autosport? Do you have any other clues to its identity?

Allen

Steve Wilkinson · 12 Jul 2006, 10:30 (Ref:1654330)

Quote:

Originally Posted by allenbrown

Steve

What do you have on Rowan's B45 apart from what I'll have seen in Autosport? Do you have any other clues to its identity?

Allen

Allen, I have it as follows:

1.6 Chevron-Ford/Cosworth BDA B45-78-04

Rowan sold it to Stuart Ridge in 1984 and he added some B48 bits to the car for 1985. Ridge ran the car until the end of 1987.

allenbrown · 12 Jul 2006, 10:43 (Ref:1654341)

Thanks Steve. Do you have a note of where you got that chassis number from?

driftwood · 13 Jul 2006, 00:08 (Ref:1654973)

ridge has mm80 cars
before u start on a maurer thread i know the FULL list of cars where when who and why with fotos and no i am not going to list them here -its mine took me ages to get it & it will stay that way and yes i am stuffing the ball up my jumper on this subject so until i have A CERTAIN CAR in my collection

Steve Wilkinson · 13 Jul 2006, 10:28 (Ref:1655207)

Quote:

Originally Posted by allenbrown

Thanks Steve. Do you have a note of where you got that chassis number from?

Can't remember off hand, possibly from this thread or one of the posters!

I tend once I have identified a chassis to add the details to the data base then delete the records from my email account etc. If I don't do this I usually end up trying to trace something I already have!

allenbrown · 13 Jul 2006, 11:15 (Ref:1655244)

... but the danger is that if we later question an identification, we can't go back and see what your evidence was. I'd strongly recommend keeping anote on file of why you associated a particular chassis number with a particular car. Ask Adam one day about F1R's experience with their records being "corrupted" by a source that seemed reliable but later turned out to be speculating.

I'd guess you got the number for Dan's comment earlier on this thread and we've now changed his mind on that one. As there was only one B45 in evidence in the UK, it was reasonable to assume that Rowan had the ex-Crawford car. But now we can see the ex-Crawford car going to Malkie and Gray so Rowan's Chevron has to be a different one. It's perfectly possible that it wasn't even a B45 but was entered as a B45 because it had been rebuilt to Atlantic spec. Maybe a B42? Maybe even a B40?

driftwood · 13 Jul 2006, 11:21 (Ref:1655251)

asking RR now what he had
b40 or 42 45 or in fact a 48
he does recall cars but not chassis#
i await his return call
what else u wanna know?

allenbrown · 14 Jul 2006, 12:54 (Ref:1656134)

I don't think we know the origins of the March 742 that he used before the Chevron but just getting the Chevron straight will be fine for now. If he recalls the model and the person he bought it from, I'm sure we can figure out the chassis number.

driftwood · 14 Jul 2006, 13:17 (Ref:1656157)

march was 74b i think he said as he has foto on his wall

Chris Townsend · 16 Jul 2006, 10:05 (Ref:1657308)

Was the 74B the ex Chris Cramer car?

Chris

driftwood · 16 Jul 2006, 10:34 (Ref:1657328)

its posible i will ask him he is away so will mail him the full list of queries on b40 45 48 74b

Dan Rear · 18 Jul 2006, 14:31 (Ref:1659167)

Quote:

Originally Posted by allenbrown

Steve

What do you have on Rowan's B45 apart from what I'll have seen in Autosport? Do you have any other clues to its identity?

Allen

Just a thought from somewhere, could the Rowan 'B45', be the Stokes/Wainwright B42, the ex Daly/ICI car?? Only reason is that they were both West Mids based, and I can't recall where that car, the B42, went after 1979-80. It was also a 1.6 BDA car, so maybe ...

allenbrown · 18 Jul 2006, 14:53 (Ref:1659189)

That's a good thought. And didn't Wainwright use quite a lot of licence in the way he described his Chevrons?

driftwood · 18 Jul 2006, 17:44 (Ref:1659308)

is that b42 in ireland with tommy reid or the likes?

allenbrown · 18 Jul 2006, 21:50 (Ref:1659500)

You could well be right. Chris has B42-02 as Stokes/Wainwright 1979, Patsy McGarrity 1981.

So the Fisher B42-14 does look favourite for Rowan's car, with the Evans B42-16 another possibility.

Heard from Ray yet?

driftwood · 18 Jul 2006, 23:02 (Ref:1659556)

not yet left tel message sent email as he was away racing
I will harrass him later for answers

DG1 · 8 Jul 2007, 00:22 (Ref:1957222)

Hi, I know this thread is a liitle old now! But the Chevron B45 that everyone was talking about was indeed the Plygrange Ex Jim Crawford Car! It was 1st put into Atlantic trim in 1982 and ran in Blue with the multi coloured strips around it, as when Jim drove it, The car was painted white in 1983 and still maintained the F2 side pods, I happened to be the lucky driver on 3 counts! 1...It was a Great car to drive 2.. Jim crawford was a wonderful tutor & 3 The B45 was being run by one of the Best teams in the UK in the 80's PLYGRANGE RACING from Bolton.

The B43 Chevron that was also mentioned, was infact an F3, it was an Ex Steve Malin car, and before he owned it, It was the Very original Ex Derek Daly B38 !! i know this for sure as i had the UK Customs track the car back to myself after pursuing it for nearly 2 years!! It had NOT been logged back into the UK after it had been raced or tested in Europe.
I sold this car to Adrian Reynard in 1981

i do have some pics of both cars, so please just ask!

allenbrown · 8 Jul 2007, 08:55 (Ref:1957356)

Duncan Gray, I presume.

Welcome. I'm sure we'd all be very interested to see pictures.

Chris Townsend · 8 Jul 2007, 10:59 (Ref:1957465)

Daly's McMahon B38 was F3.77.07, sold to Malins for 1978 season. VERY badly damaged in testing shunt at Donington AS 11.5.78 p. 3. Replaced by B43, brand new at Oulton 20.5.78. Remnants of the B38 rebuilt by Rob Moores, "an ex Malins B38" AS 2.11.78 p. 23

Chris

allenbrown · 8 Jul 2007, 22:01 (Ref:1958032)

Aha, Moores 6th in a June 1981 Mallory Park libre in a B38. Thanks Chris - another libre car identified.

allenbrown · 9 Jul 2007, 07:01 (Ref:1958212)

PS Do you know Eddie Heasell's B38?

Chris Townsend · 9 Jul 2007, 11:20 (Ref:1958472)

F3.77.08

Dan Rear · 9 Jul 2007, 11:24 (Ref:1958474)

I wonder what Reynard did with the ex-Malins B43? Did Duncan race this car does anyone recall??

allenbrown · 9 Jul 2007, 12:25 (Ref:1958544)

Thanks Chris. Should these read B38.77.07 and B38.77.08 as per normal Chevron notation or did B38s have a 'F3' prefix?

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