IMSA Race Detroit: IWSC Round 5

[TF110]

This was a DP track last year. No surprise it's the same this year. Mazda was only 2 tenths off the Ligier. Both teams in the 25's while the lead DP's are in the 23's. Yeah, doesn't look like it's going to be a great race up front in terms of mixing up the cars. GTD may be interesting, though!

[fieldodreams79]

Originally Posted by Chiana

Yawn

IMSA can thank themselves for digging up hole so deep no-one ever believes whether the results are genuine or bogus. Except maybe those Detroit Chevy Dealers really do trust that the Dallaras and Coyotes the GM has carefully crafted from only the richest of patriotic ingredients truly do make them superior against the foreign competition.

If Honda wasn't leading the OEM-whatever points I doubt Shank would've bothered to come. The script said Mazda was supposed to win at the Mazda Event, and at Detroit Event the red exclamation marks for GM win are even bigger. Improvising and not following the script can have consequences. Big consequences.

You can borrow my tinfoil hat anytime, pal.

[Rcz]

Looks like the only way for a P2 car to win is to hope the DP contingent wreaks or make mistakes on pit road.

That last BoP was a dumb, especially with a street course coming up. Idiots.

[Maelochs]

I do not honestly believe that IMSA is deliberately fixing the races ... well i don’t always think that ... but Chiana’s point is valid.

No matter who wins, there is always the question of was it the best driver and team, or was this the car that got the best BoP breaks this time around?

With cars being adjusted on a race-by-race basis, there is no chance to see if the BoP is right. Okay, this car was fast ... slow it down? Wait, this is racing ... cars are Supposed to be fast. Maybe the engineers got it right and what we saw wasn’t just BoP. Maybe the cars which were slower were less well-prepared for that track.

No matter. IMSA will change everything for the next track anyway.

There are two reasons I can see for adjusting BoP. Obviously, different levels are needed for Daytona, with its banking, and all the other tracks. And obviously, if something new comes along—like HPD’s bigger V6—then an adjustment is needed.

Otherwise, the only reason to adjust BoP would be ... because the series if freaking incompetent to set it correctly anyway.

I really don’t care so much anymore about it for the rest of this era ... the DP/P2 era. We have seen nothing but artificial results since this series started. I can accept that for the rest of this season, we will get skewed BoP as we always have.

What bothers me, is that IMSA seems likely to continue on with this idiocy even after every car is essentially identical—and that makes me kind of sick.

GT3-based series seem to be able to adjust a much wider range of weights, dimensions, chassis and engine types, and can produce excellent racing. IMSA needs to learn from that.

Don’t base BoP on practice results. Obviously teams will cheat in practice to win in the race. Have independent test drivers test each car and set its baseline before the season starts, then after Daytona ... and maybe once more after Le Mans if needed.

Otherwise, in a series where no real development or modification is allowed, why is constant BoP adjustment needed?

Chiana’s real point is that whoever has won in IMSA up until now, has been gifted the win by BoP at least in part. This really does devalue every win. Every other sport in the world strives for fairness and a level playing field; IMSA tries to help whoever lost the last race, at the next race. It is stupid and it devalues each victory.

IMSA needs to be told that once everyone has the latest DP, all those BoP games need to Stop. Let the teams and drivers decide the winner, not the stewards and series officials.

[Ephaeton]

as I've found myself digging too much again: the race event itself on the world clock and the countdown timer

[otisdog]

I have always felt that once the Nascar faction came to power, the series has been treated as "entertainment" as opposed to a "competition." I think the constant BoP adjustments are just one of the their means to further provide entertainment.
Back in the Can-am days (yes, I am that old) balance of power just meant more cubic inches...when the 917-30 appeared and dominated, nothing was done at the moment to rein it in, and we settled in to watch them mop up for the whole season. Although we had a pretty good idea who would be the victor before the race began, it was still quite enjoyable watching an actual competition.

[RWill2073]

Honestly, I'd rather just see success ballast used as BOP, and nothing else. At least that's upfront and obvious.

Also, does anyone know what links will work for the race in the US?

[RWill2073]

So is anyone else getting a black screen on IMSA.com with a message that says "This video could not be played. Please try again later"?

Is anyone else even watching?

[deggis]

Originally Posted by RWill2073

So is anyone else getting a black screen on IMSA.com with a message that says "This video could not be played. Please try again later"?

Is anyone else even watching?

Works.

http://imsatv.imsa.com

Direct media player link: http://imsaintl-lh.akamaihd.net/i/im...3500_av-p.m3u8

Americans: Opera browser's developer version has free built-in VPN. Unlike all other free VPNs it is safe and actually fast.

[RWill2073]

Not working for me. Oh well. Guess it's too much to ask for anything with this series to be easy.

[deggis]

Originally Posted by RWill2073

Not working for me. Oh well. Guess it's too much to ask for anything with this series to be easy.

It seems to be the geoblock error text. Already gave a solution above.

...but now the stream died for me too literally second after green flag.

edit: now came back.

[deggis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xj9ORUP50Zo

[skycafe]

GOOD JOB!

[Starfish Primer]

Did Goossens knew he was without the rear wing?

[J Jay]

You'd think you'd notice if your rear wing had just fallen off...

Goosens looks to be fine though. #31 gets tagged as well and has major front left suspension damage, both cars are probably done for today.

[gert]

Marc Goossens is an idiot.
My country has several great, good and decent drivers.

Goossens is NOT one of them.

[RWill2073]

Originally Posted by deggis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xj9ORUP50Zo

This is working for now. Thanks for your help. P2 gonna be on podium at least, lol.

[Simmi]

Yeah not his finest hour.

[gert]

I honestly don't understand why that team dropped Westbrook and Valiante and then thought Goossens would do a better job.

[RWill2073]

I guess if there was any hope of dp's having to stop twice and Mazda winning by only putting once is out the windo now, huh?

[Nick Woodbury]

Perhaps someone could explain to me why that Corvette Banner tire barrier that the #90 struck was jutting out a few feet onto the racing surface to begin with?

[Maelochs]

watching at work with the sound off .... interesting race .... I turned on the TV just as Mr. Goosens decided to give the P2s a chance.

[Maelochs]

PCs are doing their part. So glad they are in the series.

[RWill2073]

Pretty boring and predictable up front.

[Maelochs]

More PC excellence. Bravo!

Up front the only question is which DP will wreck the other.