Alonso crying about not being treated equally

[Craig]

Originally Posted by JohnSSC

Are there ANY toys left to throw out of the pram at this point?

Unlikely. He's thrown most of them already. I'm sure Briatore will hve a new stash for him for next year.

[foreversideways]

John, you obviously don't quite follow our decidedly British sense of humor. There is nothing more we like to do, than take the rip out of other nationalities. However we don't mind the rip being taken out of us either. So i guess i won't mention his eye brows then

[JohnSSC]

Originally Posted by Craig

Unlikely. He's thrown most of them already. I'm sure Briatore will hve a new stash for him for next year.

Uhhh, I was referring to lewis threatening to quit F1, unless you are thinking Lewis is going to sign Flav as his manager...

[Knowlesy]

The truth is nobody has covered themselves in glory off the track this year. Lewis has had his whinges, his bad moments. Alonso has had them (and had them overblown in the process by pure sensationalism). Ferrari have whinged endlessly.

It's been a pretty mucky year all round really.

Only person who hasn't said anything is Kimi although this is because he has no voice and does not count.

[Super Hans]

Originally Posted by foreversideways

Oh what a sore looser he is. Everyone else's fault except mine mummy. Seriously though he has proved himself to be a very unworthy World Champion.

An unworthy World Champion? I disagree. He won his two titles by driving magnificently. Whether he is a sore loser or not is of no consequence.

[Knowlesy]

If all the drivers opened their mouths rather than be circumspect I think we'd more or less form the same opinions of the majority of them.

[foreversideways]

I was not suggesting he was unworthy to win them, I was suggesting that by his behavior during his tenure as WDC he has proved himself unworthy.

[TWRv12]

"It's better to be silent than to lie, that's for sure," said Alonso about Dennis' remarks.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/63092

So now Dennis has been called a liar by Alonso , who suggest's he should be more economical with the truth more often.

[willb]

Originally Posted by foreversideways

John, you obviously don't quite follow our decidedly British sense of humor. There is nothing more we like to do, than take the rip out of other nationalities. However we don't mind the rip being taken out of us either. So i guess i won't mention his eye brows then

mmmm? i have noticed in a couple of other threads where a moderator has jumped on posters asking questions such as when were british drivers penalized or if a certain group of people were british.

back on topic. it looks like alonso is doing some more complaining
After oddly qualifying six-tenths behind McLaren team-mate and title leader Lewis Hamilton in Shanghai, the reigning world champion did not try hard to hide his suspicion that the Woking based team had deliberately slowed down his single seater.

"I am really interested to know where I have lost this time, because I do not think I have lost six-tenths in the other 100 laps that I have done this weekend," he said, according to the news agency EFE.

Alonso was also critical of the 'atmosphere' he encounters at McLaren at every race, and accused Ron Dennis and his other bosses of planting negative stories about him in the German and British press.

source http://www.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlin...06160356.shtml

[foreversideways]

He has said some pretty serious stuff there. What chance him not completing the season with McLaren if the WDC goes to Lewis this weekend ?.

[Craig]

Originally Posted by JohnSSC

Uhhh, I was referring to lewis threatening to quit F1, unless you are thinking Lewis is going to sign Flav as his manager...

nono, that was another example of British humo(u)r. It's another example of how easy it is for the meaning of what's said here to be 'lost in translation'

I think those asking for specific quotes of Aloneso complaining need look no further than the last article posted by TWRv12

[Ralf's Girl]

There aren't too many words of sense being spoken in this thread, but here are some:

Originally Posted by nameless

As much as i have started to dislike fernando recently i think it is ridiculous to read anything into that answer.
The question posed appalling and clearly after a poor tabloid response, maybe he could have worded his answer differently or just said 'next question' but either way something would have been read into his answer - its not like every comment by every driver is sensationalised into a non story is it??

eg 'mark webber calls for hamilton disqualification'
'lewis threatens to quit F1'

This season has been fantastically competetive but i cant wait for it to finish so we can escape the media rubbish surrounding it.

Alonso has been made into some kind of comedy villain by the British media, but I'm guessing the Spanish media have been doing the same thing with Hamilton. So we're never going to draw any sensible conclusions from what they say - even the ones that are supposedly objective have an underlying bias (e.g. Autosport). Neither driver has done himself any favours this year, but I don't think either of them are as bad as is being made out.

And I didn't think Alonso was trying to suggest McLaren slowed his car down in qualifying - did I imagine an interview with him on ITV where he said there was nothing wrong with the car and he just wasn't quick enough?

[jab]

Originally Posted by foreversideways

He has said some pretty serious stuff there. What chance him not completing the season with McLaren if the WDC goes to Lewis this weekend ?.

If they find someone to replace him with, yeah, but I doubt Pedro's in their good books as it is, especially if they get rid of his pal

You never know, though - they could bring in whoever they sign for next year

[Craig]

Gary Paffett doesn't seem to have anything on in a couple of weeks...

[Marbot]

I'm assuming that McLaren are just as stunned to know where the "six-tenths" went.Maybe Ferrari have asked for it back.

[JohnSSC]

Originally Posted by Craig

nono, that was another example of British humo(u)r. It's another example of how easy it is for the meaning of what's said here to be 'lost in translation'

I think those asking for specific quotes of Aloneso complaining need look no further than the last article posted by TWRv12

...ahh as was my comment about Lewis signing with Flav a bit of "American humour..."

"Two peoples separated by a common language" I believe was the quote - that knife cuts both ways...

[Marbot]

Originally Posted by JohnSSC

"Two peoples separated by a common language" I believe was the quote - that knife cuts both ways...

You say termater and I say tomato.......err,let's call the whole thing off!

[jab]

Originally Posted by Craig

Gary Paffett doesn't seem to have anything on in a couple of weeks...

Yeah but when was the last time he drove an F1 car?

And even then he was quite a way off the pace

[Craig]

In that case, best not bother calling Mr Schumacher...

@ John SSC: Precisely.

[al_sami]

In Alonso's favour, he does make some fair points about strategy and equality. It is true that on any given weekend, one driver is going to have the "optimum" strategy, and the other driver's strategy is going to be compromised--maybe just a little, maybe more than a little. That is just a fact, and it's a rational statement. The problem is the mouthpiece. If that had come out of Kimi's mouth, we all (ok, almost all of us) would have accepted it as a simple statement of obvious fact, because Kimi's not a "whiner". I also don't doubt that Raikkonen, Coulthard and Montoya are all happier now that they've left McLaren. It seems pretty obvious looking at all three of them, post-Macca. The impression that I get is that McLaren, like Williams, isn't a "fun" place to work. If you're the kind of driver that needs to relax, have fun, goof around a bit while you're at work, you go somewhere else. So yeah, seeing how much more those three guys are smiling now, I'm sure they are happier. I'm less sure that Alonso will be, but only because he doesn't seem happy anywhere.

And to Alonso's credit, even in the midst of his rant against McLaren, he conceded the WDC to Lewis (in this interview anyway) on merit, and not luck or cheating. Would that Alonso's fans could do the same.

Another point is Dennis Lied. We all know about is so called integrity and equal treatment, but I think that most people have realised that that's not really the way things work on McLaren. They've given Lewis, since early stages of the season, better personal treatment than Fernando, which reflexes in the way his mechanics and engineers work on his car.

Look at today's qualy. Six tenths of a second gap between Lewis and Fernando, when Fernando himself has said that in his flying lap he did no mistakes, and that he though that the lap was pretty good. Moreover, in the previouos Q3 and Q2 and free practices Fernando has been faster or slightly slower than Lewis, and when the key moment arrives, gap increases to 0.6 seconds.

[JeremySmith]

Ron Dennis has lied to Alonso about what exactly?

[andy_b]

believe me, Alonso's engineers and mechanics are still backing him. Remember, the mechanics are split between the two cars, so the group you see cheering after Lewis' pole were his band of mechanics and not Alonsos. Can, and does give a very false impression.

[Mr V]

Originally Posted by TWRv12

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/63092

So now Dennis has been called a liar by Alonso , who suggest's he should be more economical with the truth more often.

Fernando didn't call Ron a liar, he was talking about his own position and decided to stay quiet than say something untrue.

[JeremySmith]

Originally Posted by andy_b

believe me, Alonso's engineers and mechanics are still backing him. Remember, the mechanics are split between the two cars, so the group you see cheering after Lewis' pole were his band of mechanics and not Alonsos. Can, and does give a very false impression.

Sense at last from someone who knows, thank you.

[Marbot]

It's easy to tell the mechanics apart anyway.Fernando's are the ones wearing the gold watches.