Electronic Ignition.. Yes or No!

[terence]

Originally Posted by GORDON STREETER

That problem is a classic on vac advance dizzy's because the points table keeps moving back and forth and breaks the wire. The originals had a much more of a multi core softer wire that lasted years.
That can't happen if you don't back off

It's an Aldon modded one Gordon so no vac. As for backing off,I did explain that to my other driver.

Steve,it should'nt be a problem in scrutineering,still points based rather than electronic.Thanks for that,could well be a remote condensor system on the way.

[delta]

Thanks Terence, thats great i will give him a call."

[Tim Falce]

Today I found a Motorcraft condensor still in it's bubble pack. I seem to remember they were pretty crap anyway. Think I'll bin it.

[zefarelly]

its because you bugger about with things, I have a 1960 lambretta running original points and condenser, I've ridden it to Milan and back in the past, more recently its been resting for 6 years and it still started 2nd kick, if it aint broke, don't fix it !

[terence]

Sod the Scooter,what about the Cortina? My original points were changed before the car was brought out for Spa,up until then ,no probs, but see-ing as there are a lot of crap sets out there I thought it was time to have a look see--.

[GORDON STREETER]

Originally Posted by falcemob

Today I found a Motorcraft condensor still in it's bubble pack. I seem to remember they were pretty crap anyway. Think I'll bin it.

MOTORCRAFT ! MOTORCRAFT You out to go on the stage

[terence]

Dont knock it Gordon,they can't be any worse than the Lucas crap !

[GORDON STREETER]

Well at least the Lucas dizzy's dwell angle doesn't alter by 50 deg !
I think that Ford couldn't afford to put a sleave bearing in them !

[zefarelly]

I took some photos whilst looking at a property this morning, it wasn't until I got home and downloaded them that I realised what I inadvertantly snapped . . . . . . .



oops, sorry its so big!

[GORDON STREETER]

Who in their right mind would take a photo of that lot "inadvertently"
Looks like the shelves in my chicken shed !!!!

[terence]

I often have to make that appology Zef,so do we take it to be "Quite by chance" that you came across this lot?

[zefarelly]

I was looking at the place from a building point of view and deliberately ignoring the contents

I'd still be there otherwise . . . .I'll enquire next time if I can have them !

[terence]

Originally Posted by zefarelly

I was looking at the place from a building point of view and deliberately ignoring the contents

I'd still be there otherwise . . . .I'll enquire next time if I can have them !

Job lot Guv? aint worth more than about twenty quid.

[zefarelly]

its not! except to you

[terence]

Originally Posted by zefarelly

its not! except to you

Yeah,Thanks MATE!
A question was put to me yesterday,"If there are more than two wires coming from the coil,how come scrutineers dont look a bit closer at where the other wires go"?

[John Turner]

Originally Posted by terence bower

What I should of done at the start of this thread was to have created a Poll,only problem was,I did'nt know how too.

I hadn't forgotten this Terence; just that I was working behind the scenes to get this ability instated for me (only available to mods), so you now have your poll.

Although noting Zef's reference to the 'moral high ground', I can't help but feel this is a bit of a storm in a teacup. I'd have thought that old style contactless ignition should be entirely acceptable if it resolves problems highlighted on this thread, and since there is no perceptible increase in power. My views are obvious from my post #2 and I'll claim that I am entitled to have them even though I don't race! It would only become a slippery slope if you allow it to. Surely, you should be saving your concerns about keeping as close to the original by confronting oversized engines, roller rockers, engine management systems etc head on? No prizes then for guessing which way my vote has gone!

[terence]

Thank you John,I thought that it might be an idea to start somewhere,see'ing as Electronic Ignition is fairly easy to hide,and the MSA/FIA seem to be aware of the big engine issue,as demonstrated by the fact that Masters are taking a bit of a lead in this matter,that we could perhaps work our way through the lesser issues and work upwards.

[John Turner]

Sorry, Terence, it wasn't intended as a criticism. I'm just surprised that it's an issue at all, really!

[zefarelly]

points rule

£3 fail safe rev limiter

any idiot can check very easily as well. 1 wire, cap off, cap on, go.

I might add that my opinion is largely based on pre 1966 production touring cars.

just before anyone jumps on my mapped EFI Rochadale system

[terence]

Originally Posted by John Turner

Sorry, Terence, it wasn't intended as a criticism. I'm just surprised that it's an issue at all, really!

It wasn't taken as one John,It is an issue when people try to stick to the rules,spend a lot of money on an event only to have thier cars fail to finish because of playing the game.I originally asked the question on the basis that ,at present,it seem's there have been rather a lot of ignition failure's due to the rubbish that is imported from India/China etc,I was curious to know how most people felt regarding this issue.There are rather a lot of car's that are running these system's and are clearly breaking rule's.Which-ever rule is broken,be it big Engines or whatever,they are still rule's.

[John Turner]

Some rules are good. Sme are bad and need to be changed. This one seems to be pointless!

[terence]

Originally Posted by John Turner

Some rules are good. Sme are bad and need to be changed. This one seems to be pointless!

JT! Humour ?

[John Turner]

It has been known!

[FastDB2s]

forgive me for being a bit thick, but why don't the FIA allow other (more reliable) distributor makes to replace the inferior types, most can be adapted to fit with a bit of ingenuity.
A Bosch distributor is much more reliable than any Lucas unit, so is a Ducellier, they are still a points type dizzy.
We had a 1930s 8 cyl Delage in my workshop last year, eventually we figured that the twin point distributor was from a 1958 Chev Corvette, it might have made some difference to performance, but it was still points.
I am considering altering a BMW distributor to fit a fifties Aston as parts are becoming more of a problem for the 6 cyl Lucas unit fitted, also the points & condensers are £22 each retail & we still get a lot of rotor arm failures aswell

[GORDON STREETER]

FastDB2s As I said in post 33 its no problem to adapt points n dizzies.
Not having read FIA regs I don't know if they actually specify a certain type for the model. To be fair about it a lot of the cars run the last type of distributor made for a "particular" model that wasn't fitted for the year of the car when it was made. So they might as well adapt any points distributor that is more reliable.