Official 2010 Entry List - Page 3

Mystery · 12 Jun 2009, 12:25 (Ref:2480973)

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Originally Posted by jab

BBC reporting that there were 10 new entrants, whereas I have down 11 that said they entered - namely the 3 that were chosen, Lotus, Brabham, EE, Prodrive, Lola, March, Superfund and N.Technology. So someone who said they entered didn't

FIA reported that they had 15 entries from potentially new teams
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76058

climb · 12 Jun 2009, 12:31 (Ref:2480978)

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Originally Posted by Mystery

FIA reported that they had 15 entries from potentially new teams
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76058

so BBC were wrong, as I supposed

Marbot · 12 Jun 2009, 12:51 (Ref:2480991)

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Originally Posted by Bononi

Ferrari is pretty much "out of" the 2010 season,

They must surely have some sort of "2010 season" in mind.

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Originally Posted by Bononi

Yeah, the agony will stay for a while, Max still will be around if he agrees with FOTA demands, which is very likely.

Very likely ?

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Originally Posted by Bononi

I can only hope that something goes very bad in the next weeks... it can happen, it must happen !

Sure,we must all hope for disaster.

DougK · 12 Jun 2009, 12:58 (Ref:2480992)

Personally I don't know why the FIA hasn't changed things again and allowed 30 or 32 cars to enter. There is not a valid reason not to given that the cost cuts should lead to less equipment/personnel coming to the circuit and hence the "space" issue dissapearing. All the circuits used for F1 are large and the cars themselves are smaller than say sportscars /WTC so again no issue with 32 cars on the circuit at the same time.

More cars = more sponsers = more money = more resilence to small grids when some drop out.

flor · 12 Jun 2009, 12:58 (Ref:2480994)

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Originally Posted by ukaskew

Who are Manor F1? Where are they based etc? I don't even remember them being mentioned on here before.

They are a British F3 team running in the F3 Euroseries, before that they were in British F3 and Formula Renault.

Marbot · 12 Jun 2009, 13:05 (Ref:2480997)

FIA info on new teams.

http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre...f1_entry2.aspx

Also the FIA explain how they chose the new teams.

http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre...f1_entry1.aspx

**Bononi** · 12 Jun 2009, 13:11 (Ref:2481004)

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Originally Posted by DougK

Personally I don't know why the FIA hasn't changed things again and allowed 30 or 32 cars to enter. There is not a valid reason not to given that the cost cuts should lead to less equipment/personnel coming to the circuit and hence the "space" issue dissapearing. All the circuits used for F1 are large and the cars themselves are smaller than say sportscars /WTC so again no issue with 32 cars on the circuit at the same time.

More cars = more sponsers = more money = more resilence to small grids when some drop out.

The official entry list is a desperate action by Max to keep the current teams, I've been told. In a worst case scenario, he certainly would change that to accomodate more teams and make the F1 2010 season look more attractive.

nycuk · 12 Jun 2009, 13:26 (Ref:2481017)

Just been listening to Peter Windsor on with Simon Mayo on BBC Radio 5 Live. Apparently the USGP driver evaluation program is well underway, with 'many talented young Americans' being evaluated - any details anyone?

climb · 12 Jun 2009, 13:31 (Ref:2481021)

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Originally Posted by Marbot

FIA info on new teams.

http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre...f1_entry2.aspx

Also the FIA explain how they chose the new teams.

http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre...f1_entry1.aspx

excellent link, thanx!

Marbot · 12 Jun 2009, 13:42 (Ref:2481027)

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Originally Posted by climb

excellent link, thanx!

I'm glad that they are appreciated and read by some.

davyboy · 12 Jun 2009, 13:54 (Ref:2481033)

Some interesting stuff here from Martin Birrane on the Lola situation. He seems to be quite a bit down the road in terms of development and I just wonder whether Lola like Prodrive will be the back end behind one or other of the chosen new teams. Otherwise it does seem rather odd that two of the more credible new candidates would be omitted from the list.

ECW Dan Selby · 12 Jun 2009, 14:18 (Ref:2481042)

He does sounds very positive, doesn't he. Perhaps a little naive?

Selby

nycuk · 12 Jun 2009, 14:24 (Ref:2481051)

How long before the 'Danica to USF1' rumours start?

Naruto · 12 Jun 2009, 14:33 (Ref:2481058)

why would they pick 2 team that no one cares about

**chunterer** · 12 Jun 2009, 14:33 (Ref:2481059)

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Originally Posted by Mystery

FIA reported that they had 15 entries from potentially new teams
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76058

We can account for 11 or 12 so who were the other 3 then I wonder?

The Manor-Wirth link is interesting as strong rumours had suggested Wirth linking up with Penske?

I guess the latter won't be involved at all now which is a big shame.

csirl · 12 Jun 2009, 14:34 (Ref:2481060)

Which 5 teams are on the back-up list?

I agree with the exclusion of Prodrive on the basis that they were given an entry very recently and did not put a car on the grid. People can argue about the customer car issue, but in the end, its the teams responsibility to put the car on the grid.

Marbot · 12 Jun 2009, 14:41 (Ref:2481069)

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Originally Posted by csirl

I agree with the exclusion of Prodrive on the basis that they were given an entry very recently and did not put a car on the grid. People can argue about the customer car issue, but in the end, its the teams responsibility to put the car on the grid.

It was obviously a 'conditional' entry.

jab · 12 Jun 2009, 15:40 (Ref:2481109)

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Originally Posted by FIA

There were 15 applicants and we took 12 of these through the process initially. We interviewed nine of the more promising potential teams. There were a surprising number of well-presented entries, with substantial funds behind them.

So who were the mystery 4 then? Bernie said there was "another" American team...

csirl · 12 Jun 2009, 16:37 (Ref:2481132)

To be honest, we'll never know exactly how many serious applicants there were. 1 or 2 of the applicants could have been in the crank category.

Marbot · 12 Jun 2009, 16:56 (Ref:2481139)

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Originally Posted by csirl

1 or 2 of the applicants could have been in the crank category.

Apparently there were 8.

I would have thought that 1 or 2 would have just been in there just to latch onto some other outfit if needs be.

csirl · 12 Jun 2009, 17:03 (Ref:2481142)

Leaving aside the F1, FOTA dispute. How many of the 13 do people think will actually be on a grid next spring? Any grid?

I reckon it will be no more than 10.

jab · 12 Jun 2009, 17:06 (Ref:2481148)

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Originally Posted by csirl

To be honest, we'll never know exactly how many serious applicants there were. 1 or 2 of the applicants could have been in the crank category.

We will find out. They usually do reveal the full list - they did last time. Of the 11 we know so far, I'd say only March weren't really that serious. The rest were reasonably credible and could make it

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Originally Posted by csirl

Leaving aside the F1, FOTA dispute. How many of the 13 do people think will actually be on a grid next spring? Any grid?

I reckon it will be no more than 10.

I think all 3 of the teams selected today are capable of making it barring any major disasters. The only way it'll be down to 10 is if other teams pull out or the rules are changed beyond recognition and the new teams are forced to go, although all 3 have said they can make it even if there isn't a cap

duke_toaster · 12 Jun 2009, 18:26 (Ref:2481178)

I don't think more than one or two of the reserve teams will be needed, however I'm surprised that Campos have got in at the expense of Prodrive. I don't think USF1 will work either. It makes as much commercial sense as a ballroom dancing pink elephant reading the news to have a US badged team with a mickey mouse broadcast partner and no US GP.

jab · 12 Jun 2009, 18:44 (Ref:2481185)

Why are you surprised at Campos? They have major backers, are working with Dallara and have been planning for months like US F1. It would have been incredibly unfair of the FIA to turn down 2 teams that have probably already been in discussions with them before the £40m cap was even announced

The surprise is Manor but only because they've kept it quiet, but they have a very credible bid as well

davyboy · 12 Jun 2009, 19:04 (Ref:2481193)

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Originally Posted by jab

Why are you surprised at Campos? They have major backers, are working with Dallara and have been planning for months like US F1. It would have been incredibly unfair of the FIA to turn down 2 teams that have probably already been in discussions with them before the £40m cap was even announced

The surprise is Manor but only because they've kept it quiet, but they have a very credible bid as well

I would have thought Campos [Dallara], Lola and Prodrive would have been the three most credible operations in terms of their expertise... but let's not forget that others may have significant commercial backing, more than those with the technical capabilities, and as we know money talks.

I'm personally a bit gutted about the Lola one, not only because it would have been so great to see an outfit that's got genuine racing heritage... but because it was very likely that the best driver outside F1, Adam Carroll, would have had a berth on the grid where he belongs. Still, the fat lady hasn't sung yet... there's another week to go, and beyond that I'm not at all convinced of the USF1 entry neither in concept or execution.

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