Button vs Hamilton...

[strider]

Originally Posted by manwell

But back to the main point, who will grow a better beard? Hamilton or Button?

You don't really understand McLaren. Neither driver will be allowed even to think about it.

[Armco Bender]

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[JamesH]

Perhaps, just perhaps, Button really wants to see how good he actually is? How would someone who is world champion think, knowing there is a possibility that there is someone out there better than him - wouldn't they want to find out? I would, even if it went pear shaped.

I think LH is the best natural driver on the grid, JB is one of the more clinical. They are very different drivers. Should be an interesting battle. If the car is any good, which it should be, I'd go for a Macca 1-2 , with LH 1.

[JamesH]

Just found this from Autosport, which seems to confirm what I put in previous post.

"Would I fancy my chances against him? Well every driver would, every driver wants to show to themselves more than anyone else how good they are."

Button believes that you have to be willing to go up against the best drivers in the world in equal machinery to prove yourself in Formula 1.

"We all think we are up there with the best of them, but when you look at it you don't know if you are better than someone else unless you are racing against them in the same car," he said.

In addition, perhaps he thinks next years Mclaren is going to be a better car than the others (esp. Brawn) - if that turns out to be the case, then its better to come second in the championship, than further down the order in an inferior car. Look at the speed with which this years car improved. I never expected it to even trouble the podium all year, yet it actually won a few races!

[davyboy]

Originally Posted by JamesH

Perhaps, just perhaps, Button really wants to see how good he actually is? How would someone who is world champion think, knowing there is a possibility that there is someone out there better than him - wouldn't they want to find out? I would, even if it went pear shaped.

That would be a very surprising thing to think and to do. The chances of it going pear shaped are very high. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that this could be a career ending move for Jenson. If Lewis wipes the floor with him... a possibility that can't be ruled out... his stock will be significantly devalued and people will then start to draw questions over the value of his personal contribution to his WDC title. If the latter happened, that would be very sad indeed because in my mind there's no such thing as an unworthy WDC, irrespective of how good the car is.

[Tim the Grey]

He beat Rubens. So did TGF.

Seems alright to me.

[Peter Mallett]

Originally Posted by davyboy

That would be a very surprising thing to think and to do. The chances of it going pear shaped are very high. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that this could be a career ending move for Jenson. If Lewis wipes the floor with him... a possibility that can't be ruled out... his stock will be significantly devalued and people will then start to draw questions over the value of his personal contribution to his WDC title. If the latter happened, that would be very sad indeed because in my mind there's no such thing as an unworthy WDC, irrespective of how good the car is.

And if it's the other way around?

[ECW Dan Selby]

haha This is a good point...!!!

But this is what competition's all about. It's a ballsy move, or perhaps it's greedy - Maybe it's even a bit of both.

But who wins? The viewer, of course

Selby

[Andy Harrison]

Originally Posted by JamesH

Perhaps, just perhaps, Button really wants to see how good he actually is? How would someone who is world champion think, knowing there is a possibility that there is someone out there better than him - wouldn't they want to find out? I would, even if it went pear shaped.

I think LH is the best natural driver on the grid, JB is one of the more clinical. They are very different drivers. Should be an interesting battle. If the car is any good, which it should be, I'd go for a Macca 1-2 , with LH 1.

My thoughts exactly!
I think Hamilton will prove to be the superior driver but Button will cause a few upsets over the course of the season.
Final result McLaren 1-2 with Hamilton winning WDC No.2!

[Super Hans]

I can't help but laugh when I see people describing Button's McLaren switch as brave or foolish. This time last year he was contemplating the dole. Now, for the first time in his career, he has been offered a seat with one of the big two. It's a no brainer.

[JamesH]

Originally Posted by davyboy

That would be a very surprising thing to think and to do. The chances of it going pear shaped are very high. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that this could be a career ending move for Jenson. If Lewis wipes the floor with him... a possibility that can't be ruled out... his stock will be significantly devalued and people will then start to draw questions over the value of his personal contribution to his WDC title. If the latter happened, that would be very sad indeed because in my mind there's no such thing as an unworthy WDC, irrespective of how good the car is.

I don't think its surprising at all given the personality/drive required to get to the top in F1. You have to think you are the best or damn close to it, otherwise you won't win.

I think JB is good enough to give LH a run for his money, but not good enough to consistently beat him however.


As to worthiness, he won the title, therefore he is worthy. Simples.

[foreversideways]

It will be down to who the car suits best as their driving styles are very different. However as McLaren have been developing a car for Hamilton for 3 years it is likely that the 2010 car will suite Hamilton's style. It will be very interesting but my money is on Alonso for the 2010 WDC.

[davyboy]

My money's on a showdown between Hamilton, Vettel and Rosberg. Should be great.

[Marbot]

Vettel,Rosberg,Button,Heidfeld,Massa,Raikkonen(?),Hamilton,Alonso,Webber etc, because in the end it will all just be down to pure circumstance.

[Peter Mallett]

Eureka,

I've worked it out!

The guy who overtook more cars on track this season, won more races and basically dominated the season (even when he wasn't winning) is crap. But he won because the other drivers were crappier this year (it must be the logic no?). But, next year, he'll still be crap but those drivers who, let's face it, he made look pretty second hand at times this year, will be so gobsmakingly brilliant that by the end of the second race we'll see Button replaced with Katayama.

Phew, glad we sorted that out. Roll on 2011 is what I say.

[foreversideways]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

Eureka,

I've worked it out!

The guy who overtook more cars on track this season, won more races and basically dominated the season (even when he wasn't winning) is crap. But he won because the other drivers were crappier this year (it must be the logic no?). But, next year, he'll still be crap but those drivers who, let's face it, he made look pretty second hand at times this year, will be so gobsmakingly brilliant that by the end of the second race we'll see Button replaced with Katayama.

Phew, glad we sorted that out. Roll on 2011 is what I say.

[davyboy]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

Eureka,

I've worked it out!

The guy who overtook more cars on track this season, won more races and basically dominated the season (even when he wasn't winning) is crap. But he won because the other drivers were crappier this year (it must be the logic no?). But, next year, he'll still be crap but those drivers who, let's face it, he made look pretty second hand at times this year, will be so gobsmakingly brilliant that by the end of the second race we'll see Button replaced with Katayama.

Phew, glad we sorted that out. Roll on 2011 is what I say.

You forgot to mention that 'the guy who overtook more cars on track this season' happened to be in his car when the overtaking took place. Did he make the drivers look second hand or did he make the driver/car combos look second hand ? Whatever the case, he'll not be in that car next year, but in a different one. One that he overtook this year. We'll have to see what combo looks second hand then.

Now repeat that quickly with 10 pints down you

[Marbot]

Originally Posted by davyboy

Did he make the drivers look second hand or did he make the driver/car combos look second hand ?

He made the driver/car combos look secondhand, because that's what happens all the time isn't it.

[Woolley]

Originally Posted by Tim the Grey

This conversation has a two word answer...
Senna, Prost.

Carry on.

Or possibly Senna, Berger?

This might be the most interesting thing in F1 for years. The perception by the majority (and I'd include myself in this) is that Hamilton will wipe out Button.

The only way for Button to overturn that perception is to go head to head in the same car for a team which notoriously provides equal equipment and the opportunity to use it. And while I'm not a fan of Button, I warmly aplaud him for taking on that task. And may even watch the odd race to see how it goes - it could be very exciting.

So Vettel for world champ, then

[Marbot]

Originally Posted by Woolley

So Vettel for world champ, then

It's a good bet.

[kevind]

Originally Posted by Super Hans

I can't help but laugh when I see people describing Button's McLaren switch as brave or foolish. This time last year he was contemplating the dole. Now, for the first time in his career, he has been offered a seat with one of the big two. It's a no brainer.

Agreed, and I hope that RBR are still in the mix as well.

[Wims]

Now, Im not a big JB fan, nor a Hamilton fan, but I realize that Jenson had some exceptional performances in 2009 that wasnt all just down to the great car. Maybe he can challenge Hamilton in some races. Its not unthinkable

[Peter Mallett]

Originally Posted by Wim Sjøholm

Now, Im not a big JB fan, nor a Hamilton fan, but I realize that Jenson had some exceptional performances in 2009 that wasnt all just down to the great car. Maybe he can challenge Hamilton in some races. Its not unthinkable

Good post and shows balance. He had some dire races but even then pulled a point. People tend to forget those things. That is why he beat Vettel really, because when it went pear shaped for RBR their drivers couldn't hold it together. You may want to call that "class".

This is why the prospect of next season is so enticing. I can see Lewis learning a lot from this and going on to bigger and better things, whilst I see another WDC for Jenson (2011/2012) purely because of the competition.

[Fox89]

I can see Lewis learning a lot from this and going on to bigger and better things

I think this applies both ways. Jenson will have a much better chance of winning another WDC if he can learn to handle a loose rear a little more.

[OZ_HCR32]

Well, another perspective...losing to Lewis will do less harm to his career then getting beaten by Rosberg. I doubt that has factored into his thinking, but if Rosberg had come into his team and beaten him in his first year, then being beaten by Rosberg , a largely unknow qty would have made mockery of his WDC.

However, going up against Lewis in a McLaren, well if he lose then the exuse book of team bias around their golden boy and a look back at the troubles Montoya nd Alonso had means he will still be a credible WDC as the environment may not be right.

LOL, actually, yeh i bored and thats a stretch, but do believe being beaten by Rosberg would have been far worse then being beaten by Hamo