Montoya's defending style - Page 3

Legend · 19 Aug 2002, 19:48 (Ref:361522)

Offtopic? And I thought I was the only one doing it!

freud · 19 Aug 2002, 20:08 (Ref:361530)

---its off-topic but its not garbage

Legend · 19 Aug 2002, 21:21 (Ref:361605)

Freud did those words come from the master of Etiquette? Amazing!

ttc · 20 Aug 2002, 00:49 (Ref:361750)

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Originally posted by freud
Sorry for being offtopic here but I just wanted to express my feeling about the far-east region.

While I was in Singapore & KL, I met many Mclaren and Williams fans as both teams & their Sponsors played a huge part in bringing F1 to that region. I must say that these are the only two frontline teams that cater to the region and its f1 fans. Thats the reason why most people living in far east support Williams, Mclaren, Mobil, BMW, other british sponsors & Bernie Ecclestone for all the effort they have put into bringing F1 in that part of the world.

Just looking at the street cars will tell you why you see lots of Mclaren and Williams supporters...

Lots of BMWs and Mercs running abt.

But trust me, Ferrari is the one that captures the hearts around here and immediately conjures up images of FAST racing machines, a la F1...

ttc · 20 Aug 2002, 00:54 (Ref:361753)

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Originally posted by freud
ttc, If JPM's defence was bad he would never been a Champion at CART as defending your line is nowhere more important than in CART.

BTW, just a note offtopic... Mclaren held a convocation at Singapore (courtesy Mobil) and I attended it [probably the only f1 convocation ever held at Singapore]. Mclaren & Mobil are probably the only team alongwith BMW & Williams that are working hard to promote f1 in that part of the world, ie Malaysia & Singapore. Beautiful region, I must say...

Actually, his defensive maneouvres as shown in his F1 races unfortunately do not reflect his experience in CART. And I have to say I do not follow CART, too BORING (yeah, you read that right), as in totally "artificial" lead changes.

And thanks for the compliments for my country.

Jukebox · 20 Aug 2002, 01:20 (Ref:361761)

Holy cow! never in my intention this was gonna be lead and be one of those flame bait threads, but then it's always difficult to debate on certain drivers that have die-hard followers.

Legend...LOL! you are always guilty of being one....but then don worry at least there's another permanent Michael's fan in here

aye to that ttc....and thank you too sigmund

Anyway, i am not at all suprised that Patrick Head was ****ed at Montoya when he wants to retire because it was his fault that the car was damaged in the first place!

Seeing Montoya's tantrum and angry gestures towards the team if the car ceases to operate during races before...no wonder it's time Head returns him the gesture

Mania · 20 Aug 2002, 05:27 (Ref:361820)

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Originally posted by Jukebox

Seeing Montoya's tantrum and angry gestures towards the team if the car ceases to operate during races before...no wonder it's time Head returns him the gesture

Head was really ticked of..I havent seen him that mad for a long time - I wish we had the pit to car radio transcript - would've been a ball!

Jukebox · 20 Aug 2002, 05:41 (Ref:361826)

Ditto Mania! from the looks of Head's body language, he was not amused at all

freud · 20 Aug 2002, 06:31 (Ref:361835)

Juke & ttc,

Its interesting to see both of you being Ferrari & Schu fans. While I was there I got the impression that Ferrari doesnt really cater & relate to the audience there as much as in Europe. Hence I found a great number of Williams, Macs & Mika fans...

Anyway.. have fun

Jukebox · 20 Aug 2002, 07:01 (Ref:361843)

You were in S'pore only weren't you? I don't know which the majority of them supports but over here every year Ferrari fans outnumbers the rest.

ttc · 20 Aug 2002, 07:10 (Ref:361849)

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Originally posted by freud
Juke & ttc,

Its interesting to see both of you being Ferrari & Schu fans. While I was there I got the impression that Ferrari doesnt really cater & relate to the audience there as much as in Europe. Hence I found a great number of Williams, Macs & Mika fans...

Anyway.. have fun

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Mclaren held a convocation at Singapore (courtesy Mobil) and I attended it [probably the only f1 convocation ever held at Singapore]. Mclaren & Mobil are probably the only team alongwith BMW & Williams that are working hard to promote f1 in that part of the world, ie Malaysia & Singapore.

Somehow, I don't expect a lot of Ferrari fans to gatecrash such events...

And you know what, I WAS NOT aware that such an event actually took place...

**Bononi** · 20 Aug 2002, 13:18 (Ref:362028)

What now ?

Poor JPM doesn't have the right to have his own bashing thread !!!!

Back to the topic guys !!! Bashing JPM...

**Peter Mallett** · 20 Aug 2002, 13:25 (Ref:362036)

I wasn't bashing him. Don't be sooo defensive Bon.

This is just about his [JPM's] apparent inability to take pressure in F1. Not bashing though is it?

On this point. If people don't express an opinion you wouldn't have anything to respnd to and the site would fail. I've noticed that just because some people have a loyalty to a subject (or driver), any post/thread which disagrees with them is immediately labelled as "flame bait" or "bashing".

**Bononi** · 20 Aug 2002, 13:34 (Ref:362043)

Not you Peter... in fact, I share the same opinion of yours...

I just don't want to see a thread about JPM turning into Ferrari's love affair...

...and I can't believe you think I'm a JPM fan.

**Peter Mallett** · 20 Aug 2002, 13:38 (Ref:362048)

Ah,

I'm working for Agip at the moment. I share your thoughts.

freud · 20 Aug 2002, 13:41 (Ref:362049)

Juke & ttc... Offcourse I dont know the number of fans of each team

I was just trying to say that logically it seems appropriate for more people to support Williams & Mclaren as Ferrari does not really focus on Asia, China, middle east, indio, etc . Neither I saw any Ferrari cars on road in that region. Ferrari focuses mostly on Europe. Anyway its good for Ferrari to have a few fans like you there.

Now back to Bon's argument. I totally agree you, Bon. I felt that some posts in this thread were flame baits. I just cant understand why some people are so bent upon pulling JPM's legs unnecessarily. There is one member who once said {on another thread) that 'JPM was celeberating his Monza win after Sepetmeber 11 incident of World trade center and is a cold ^$#%^#'. This is malicious and malignant. We see plenty of examples of JPM bashing here on this thread. Is this because JPM is South American? I guess he is a rising star and some people just cannot take his ambitious nature and are jealous of him.

ttc · 20 Aug 2002, 14:23 (Ref:362078)

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Originally posted by freud
Juke & ttc... Offcourse I dont know the number of fans of each team I was just trying to say that logically it seems appropriate for more people to support Williams & Mclaren as Ferrari does not really focus on Asia, China, middle east, indio, etc . Neither I saw any Ferrari cars on road in that region. Ferrari focuses mostly on Europe. Anyway its good for Ferrari to have a few fans like you there.

Don't take it the wrong way, but Ferrari is not exactly marketing its car in ANY region as a daily commuting means. And going by the prices of a Japanese car (Honda Civic costing over US$40,000) in Singapore (due to the high road tax and stuffs), it's NOT surprising you don't see many Ferraris running abt, but yes, there are quite a number here in Singapore.

But the fact of the matter is, Ferrari DOES NOT need to really promote its brandname... not here, and I believe not anywhere either, no?

You might have a problem getting people to recognize Mclaren, but Ferrari, BMW and Mercedes Benz, not a problem at all... worldwide I believe.

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Originally posted by freud

Now back to Bon's argument. I totally agree you, Bon. I felt that some posts in this thread were flame baits. I just cant understand why some people are so bent upon pulling JPM's legs unnecessarily. There is one member who once said {on another thread) that 'JPM was celeberating his Monza win after Sepetmeber 11 incident of World trade center and is a cold ^$#%^#'. This is malicious and malignant. We see plenty of examples of JPM bashing here on this thread. Is this because JPM is South American? I guess he is a rising star and some people just cannot take his ambitious nature and are jealous of him.

Subst MS for JPM and you'll probably see your reflection in there...

**Bononi** · 20 Aug 2002, 14:25 (Ref:362079)

As Peter said, you can discuss about a driver inability (or ability) without actually bashing him. My opinion is, that no one is safe from criticism. You can master your profession, but no one's perfect, so the same applies to the drivers. Worship a public person, like in sports, no matter what the person does, is insanity.

Like I said so many times before, to be driving these cars, all the drivers deserves our deeply respect. So, think before you post anything offending, no matter who is.

I will say again: JPM doesn't like the Hungarian circuit. I think it took away the best of him, last sunday. I wonder if someday, that circuit can take a important role in his career, like a decisive win for a championship. Just a thought.

freud · 20 Aug 2002, 14:40 (Ref:362086)

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Originally posted by ttc
Don't take it the wrong way, but Ferrari is not exactly marketing its car in ANY region as a daily commuting means. And going by the prices of a Japanese car (Honda Civic costing over US$40,000) in Singapore (due to the high road tax and stuffs), it's NOT surprising you don't see many Ferraris running abt, but yes, there are quite a number here in Singapore. But the fact of the matter is, Ferrari DOES NOT need to really promote its brandname... not here, and I believe not anywhere either, no?

Again you misunderstand the point.

You have to read the legend of Ferrari, the history to understand what I am talking about., Mr ttc. I dont want to go indepth. Cheers.

Legend · 20 Aug 2002, 15:08 (Ref:362113)

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Originally posted by freud
This is malicious and malignant. We see plenty of examples of JPM bashing here on this thread. Is this because JPM is South American? I guess he is a rising star and some people just cannot take his ambitious nature and are jealous of him.

Of course I am jealous of him, why else should I bash a driver with such talent? That is the trademark of people like me bashing ambitious natures and successful personalities. But we love it, that is the way to get even with geniuses!

freud · 20 Aug 2002, 15:15 (Ref:362118)

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Originally posted by Legend
Of course I am jealous of him, why else should I bash a driver with such talent?

Finally... you've said it

Legend · 20 Aug 2002, 15:39 (Ref:362137)

Yes, Freud I said that, but I said more. Let your wisdom guide you.........

Jordi · 20 Aug 2002, 17:35 (Ref:362220)

Montoya's defending style.

Just to remind you!

Mania · 21 Aug 2002, 07:07 (Ref:362686)

After watching the replay, its pretty clear he got rattled and there was no way he would have held of Kimi.. he actually ran wide on the previous lap as well which got Kimi close to him.

At the end of the day, its safe to say that Pablo is a bit too hot headed and thats what gets him into trouble..in this case it was defending and in the case of Brazil...it was overtaking - both times he pulled a silly move and paid the price.

Jukebox · 21 Aug 2002, 07:52 (Ref:362704)

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Originally posted by freud
Juke & ttc... Offcourse I dont know the number of fans of each team I was just trying to say that logically it seems appropriate for more people to support Williams & Mclaren as Ferrari does not really focus on Asia, China, middle east, indio, etc . Neither I saw any Ferrari cars on road in that region. Ferrari focuses mostly on Europe. Anyway its good for Ferrari to have a few fans like you there.

Ferrari cars are damn expensive here freud, just imagine the tax is 300% here in M'sia....i think in S'pore it's more expensive...correct me if i'm wrong ttc.

But i disagree with you it's difficult to find that brand in this region as people who owns them usually treat them as a third or fourth car. BMW and Mercedez cars are affordable to most medium class people here.

Try to go out at night then you'll know if it's difficult or not to find Ferrari cars on the streets

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