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3 May 2004, 18:12 (Ref:959567)
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While we are discussing Taurus, do they have plans to run a new chassis in 2005. Afterall the team has done wonders with their current 'old' Lola chassis.
If the diesal engine is as good as they hope it to will be, this engine combined with a state of the art chassis could be unbeatable over 1000k+. At least until Audi unleash their diesal! Last edited by JAG; 3 May 2004 at 18:16. |
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3 May 2004, 18:24 (Ref:959569)
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Ben also told me that the Diesel project is a 2 year deal. so maybe they will still run the lola next year? (or put the diesel in a new car?)
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3 May 2004, 18:27 (Ref:959572)
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Hopefully a new, or even Hybrid car like the Nasamax. The Reynard and Lola both debuted around the same time didn't they?
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If Any Forum members are Going to Monza:
Help Get an Answer from the "Team Randaccio Tampolli" people for Me... Someone please find out if that "Ford V-8" is from the old Cosworth CART engine that is now known as a "Nicholson-McLaren" or if it is derived from something Cosworth built that was 3.5 L....lik ethe engine that was being phased out as an IRL engine... or whatever...I just want to know exactly "which" Ford engine their powerplant is derived from... Thanks! |
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4 May 2004, 16:45 (Ref:960567)
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Just received an official updated entry list. Compared to the one released the 17th of April there are a lot of changes. I have placed the delta's
here E.g. in LMP1 4 teams out! -The Intersport Racing, Lola Judd -Automotive Durango, PM Durango Judd -Lister, Lister LMP -GPE Racing, R&M Judd |
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4 May 2004, 17:14 (Ref:960605)
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Not suprised about the missing teams in LMP1 apart from Lister.
Money troubles, or saving the car for LM. There are a number of teams that will return or enter for the first time at the Nurburgring however. |
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4 May 2004, 17:19 (Ref:960609)
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Euh, 14 cars are of the list compared to the one of 17 April...
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4 May 2004, 17:20 (Ref:960610)
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Oh, and one has been added. Cirtek will also enter a GT3 RSR...
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4 May 2004, 17:25 (Ref:960621)
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In LMP1/2 we should see Lister 1, Goddard 1, Epsilon 2, Courage 1, K2 1 all ready for Nurburgring. Lets also hope RFH have a good LM and are persuaded to enther the LMES with their current Dome, and the likes of Durango and GPE come back. I would also hope to see some more former FIA SR2 cars come to LMP2. 
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4 May 2004, 17:44 (Ref:960657)
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Also racingworld.be is reporting that the Zonda will not participate this weekend. If I read it correctly the team will enter their Viper (Just like last weekend in the FFSA). Looks like they still have the brake probs...
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4 May 2004, 17:49 (Ref:960660)
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Can we conclude that a race 1 month before The Greatest Race In The World isn't a good idea? Maybe it's better to start LMES after LM.
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4 May 2004, 18:17 (Ref:960683)
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I'm confused by the PlanetLeMans list....
1. Which Intersport Lola - the B160 or the B2k/40??? 2. Who dropped out of LMP2???? 3. Is Konrad in our out??? Someone please clarify... Thanks! |
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4 May 2004, 18:26 (Ref:960690)
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Actually, Monza is taking place just three weeks before the "Greatest Race in the World"...that happens in Indy the final Sunday in May.... But I'm rather biased.... Personally, I just don't get why teams wouldn't run in this race.... But that's just me.... I also think that the season should start in early-mid April if teams are so squeamish about racing their cars in May if they are competing at LM.... Sorry, but IMO late June is WAY TOO LATE to start a racing season....it doesn't give you much time to do any racing, unless you hold one every other week... Finally... why doesn't Durango's withdrawal surprise me???? Hopefully, we can see a "New List that gives us a full lineup as it stands now.... I've already submitted my picks, and if some of the cars on the PlanetLemans site are NOT going to race (Konrad for one), I need to alter my picks... |
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4 May 2004, 18:41 (Ref:960699)
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I don't dispute that starting a racing series in the middle of the summer is a bit odd, but then again the LMES is only 4 races long. You could do one race in July, two in August and one in mid to late September. Perhaps Monza could be pushed up to Mid April.
Something to consider is look how long it took for so many of these teams to commit and get their racing teams together? The solution, pick your schedule and deal with it. The teams that are waffeling are the ones that do not have solid programs. Maybe in the near future these programs will solidify. The point is, procrastinators, unorginized teams, and low budget teams will always have trouble making it. So why cater to them? This isn't meant to be harsh, but you can't sit around waiting for everyone to get on board when some will never be able to. Last edited by jhansen; 4 May 2004 at 18:43. |
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4 May 2004, 19:01 (Ref:960724)
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Personally I think the Monza date is pretty ideal. A week earlier would have been preferable.
But I am convinced a number of teams are playing catch-up after an uncertain winter for LMP1 racing in general. A number of programs, like Epsilon, have been put together pretty late as well. The change in regs etc. has also surely affected some teams preperations. As I said earlier in this thread, if there were 2 races in the next few weeks I could understand teams rushing to complete their cars in time for Monza. As the next race is July, why rush and race a potential unreliably, untested car in Monza. For Tim, Courage, K2 Engineerings heavily revised Pilbeam and the 2 Espilon Courages will join from the second round. BTW Lister will be testing, no money problems with the team. Will be out for Rnd 2. Last edited by JAG; 4 May 2004 at 19:04. |
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4 May 2004, 19:02 (Ref:960726)
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All cars in the list are out (compared to the most recent official entry list send 17 April) so: 1) The list does not say anything on that, their LMP1 entry is gone. The LMP2 Lola Judd is still on the list. 2) Again compared to the two weeks old list: K2 and Courage. 3) They are not on the official list anymore... I will remove the confusing 'class titles'! |
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4 May 2004, 19:04 (Ref:960727)
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But is the field still with five cars for Monza in LMP2???
Belmondo Courage Courage Competition Intersport Lola B2K/40 Judd PiR Competition Pilbeam Team Randaccio If NO, who is NOT going to be at Monza??? |
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01.round 10.1.1971: Buenos Aires 02.round 31.1.1971: Daytona 03.round 20.3.1971: Sebring 04.round 04.4.1971: Brands Hatch 05.round 25.4.1971: Monza 06.round 09.5.1971: Spa 07.round 16.5.1971: Targa Florio 08.round 30.5.1971: Nürburgring 09.round 13.6.1971: Le Mans 10.round 27.6.1971: Zeltweg 11.round 24.7.1971: Watkins Glen Brands, Monza and Spa had sub-30 starting grids, but the other big ones had in the range of 50-60. (My thinking is that the privateers didn't care much for the bookend races.) In the period we're in now, they ran Spa, Targa Florio, Nurburgring and then Le Mans. Surely one little race isn't a major roadblock. Of course Targa Florio was only 800km, so maybe it was easy. 
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Just had another thought. It's not like this is the first time that a series has raced prior to the run up to Le Mans. Case in point, let's look at Group C, which ran throughout the year and often held several rounds before Le Mans, and in some years included Le Mans in the championship. Two samples:
1988 Round 4, Silverstone 1000K - May 8th (started 26 cars) Round 5, Le Mans 24 Hours - June 12th 1991 Round 3, Silverstone 430K - May 19th (started 16 cars) Round 4, Le Mans 24 Hours - June 23rd Both times the events had car counts typical for the year and it does not appear that holding a race one month prior to Le Mans was a deterrant to participants. Also note that in 1988 the race prior to Le Mans was also a 1000K event. The fact is that racing prior to Le Mans is not unusual. |
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4 May 2004, 19:07 (Ref:960731)
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Just had confirmation that DPR should also race a protoype after Le Mans as well
 Let the speculation begin 
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Paul, I see you and I had a similar idea.
One other thing bothers me. The excuse of "can't run Monza because the car might get damaged" holds little water with me. When can't a car get damaged? The IRL will spend the month of May at Indy. What's to say a competitor wont back their car in the wall in practice, or even on Carb day on the thursday before race weekend. Or at Le Mans maybe someone will go the whole week and on final practice destroy the car. Perhaps the transporter will have a wreck in route to Le Mans and have an accident damaging the car. It's a total cr*pshoot. Or what about Lister, who only ran Sebring before Le Mans last year, and then crashed out early at Le Mans. You never know. It's a "race"car. Go race it! Now if it's really a money thing then I can't say anything about that. But at least admit it's a money thing. Pardon the rant. Last edited by jhansen; 4 May 2004 at 19:54. |
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4 May 2004, 20:56 (Ref:960848)
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But for the smaller teams, they have had to redesign their cars for the new regs and are either not ready for Monza or have mechanical problems.
K2 have their revised car running but need to test, Goddard are putting the finishing touches to their car. Lister have driver issues (not money related). |
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It is one of my "I can't grasp that excuse for not entering Monza" thoughts too, jhansen.... But I do see some of Jag's points as well...the LMES requires that cars run under the new specs...and thus teams had to make htose changes to compete....and they didn't have a great deal of time to do it in....especially if they are a small-budget operation.... the strain on these teams to "convert" to the new requirements or regs is probably the reason why the ALMS went to the ACO and asked for a dispensation for ALMS teams competing at ALMS events only for this year.... Teams were going to have to make changes in very short order to get ready for Sebring.....and seeking this year of transition for the teams the compete in the ALMS was a very smart move on the part of Mr. Atherton and Mr. Panoz....it will help teams to develop and test solutions, it will spread out the costs of those changes over a longer period of time, and it will allow teams to compete with what they have while they figure out how they will go about making the changes to conform to the new rules.... I know that Lister has had many different issues to deal with in recent months....and Nasamax did, too, last year...there are issues and situations that can come up that will keep you from racing... But I also have difficulty with seeing a team sit in their garage and collect dust, when they could be developing the car by testing it or racing it.... You don't learn anything about the handling characteristics of the car, or how well the engine will hold up, or the kind of gear ratios you need to run to get peak performance out of your engine, or about gremlins or design flaws that need to be corrected, by sitting in the garage.... Finally.. Testing is a good thing....but I don't know if it is as valuable as a learning tool as actually racing with other cars in racing conditions.... by doing as much of both as one can afford, at least you'll be getting your money's worht out of the $400,000 chassis you bought and the $ XXXX $ you spent on your engine program....and your personnel will be getting paid to do what you hred them for...to race and maintain the car... |
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