Bill Riley Announement Soon... - Page 3

Spiteful · 29 Mar 2005, 17:46 (Ref:1264461)

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Originally Posted by Fogelhund

I'm not sure what you mean with this statement.

I thought they were very nearly ready to build an lmp and already had customers, but after re-reading Riley's latest announcement, I don't know were I got that idea from.

full throttle · 29 Mar 2005, 18:12 (Ref:1264481)

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Originally Posted by Spiteful

I thought they were very nearly ready to build an lmp and already had customers, but after re-reading Riley's latest announcement, I don't know were I got that idea from.

In speaking to Bill at Sebring, our owner was told that there is a partially completed design on paper and that a customer would have to be found before it could progress further. Furthermore, it could be either closed cockpit or open depending on whether the emphasis was USA or LeMans.
Apparently Bill gave his preference as closed top as he felt that was the way to go for LeMans, and he really wants to win that race more than anything else out there...

paul-collins · 29 Mar 2005, 18:17 (Ref:1264487)

Hey, ft, any chance that you guys will be showing up at any other ALMS events before PLM?

Tim Northcutt · 29 Mar 2005, 18:18 (Ref:1264488)

It is the only one of the "Big Sportscar Endurance Races" that a Riley chassis hasn't won, isn't it???

BTW, Full Throttle....

Thanks for hooking me up at Sebring...I enjoyed meeting everyone immensely...

full throttle · 29 Mar 2005, 18:30 (Ref:1264502)

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Originally Posted by paul-collins

Hey, ft, any chance that you guys will be showing up at any other ALMS events before PLM?

I've heard that they may be doing the schedule from July onward if things fall in place.

full throttle · 29 Mar 2005, 18:32 (Ref:1264508)

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Originally Posted by Tim Northcutt

It is the only one of the "Big Sportscar Endurance Races" that a Riley chassis hasn't won, isn't it???

BTW, Full Throttle....

Thanks for hooking me up at Sebring...I enjoyed meeting everyone immensely...

Yes, Bill said it was the only one he hadn't won. ML did mention you and that the guys got a kick out of knowing that somewhere out in Green Park they had fans!

Tim Northcutt · 29 Mar 2005, 18:35 (Ref:1264512)

Our "Banner" supporting the team took a serious beating with the wind and rain, and did not survive the storms...

But it was the thought that counted...

"Roll On, AutoCon!!!!"

LouisTheShark · 30 Mar 2005, 12:46 (Ref:1265229)

"I thought they were very nearly ready to build an lmp and already had customers, but after re-reading Riley's latest announcement, I don't know were I got that idea from."

It seems nearly everyone on these boards thought the same thing because most didn't really bother to correctly interpret what really was announced. When I pointed it out, I was blasted for it!

Bottom line is always the same. You have to look at every announcement from a business angle, because THIS IS A BUSINESS. A concept that is many times lost on some people and the hype spouted on boards is and often cannot be substantiated or supported by a reasonable business model.

cybersdorf · 30 Mar 2005, 14:09 (Ref:1265326)

How many R&S Trans-Am chassis are there? Are they still building those? (even if the market for such cars probably isn't too big these days)

tamar · 30 Mar 2005, 14:47 (Ref:1265355)

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Originally Posted by LouisTheShark

"...You have to look at every announcement from a business angle, because THIS IS A BUSINESS. A concept that is many times lost on some people and the hype spouted on boards is and often cannot be substantiated or supported by a reasonable business model.

A good point, however there is a second distinction that you could make:

The core business of specialist contructors like Riley is producing
Race cars and preferably winning ones. Any business model to produce such a car, under their own name, will have to balance the design and continious development cost needed to win, against the expected revenues from the sales of their Race cars alone!

Where as if a major Car manufactor starts a program to produce a (winning) Race car, their business model will be based on effect of the program to the sales of their Road cars

To make things worse (for the specialists): When a major manufacturer terminates its own program because the goals of their business model have been achieved. And the rules haven't changed in a way that renders their (winning) cars uncompetitive. They can be made available to customer teams (Porsche 956/962 and Audi R8).
The same potential customer that form the core bussines of the specialist.

with kind regards
Tamar

The Badger · 31 Mar 2005, 08:05 (Ref:1265987)

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Originally Posted by Tim Northcutt

But I don't see how anyone could go wrong with hooking up with the Rileys...especially a privateer...

Ive always said the same . If somebody had stuck at developeing the Mk3C chassis , im sure it would have been the way to go . Like Dyson and Matthews and a few european teams too . I wonder what the likes of SMG or DAMS would have done with one of those ?!

Fab · 31 Mar 2005, 08:41 (Ref:1266012)

The 1999 race was not a success for Rileys at LM (SMG). Nice cars though...

For DAMS : did they enter any ? I remember the Cadillac entries, but not Riley' chassis...

DAMS is now more interrested to be a support for factories ; I don't see them enter their own car.

And for SMG, Philippe Gache throw the towel in endurance, to focus on Rally-Raid.

The Badger · 31 Mar 2005, 09:04 (Ref:1266032)

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Originally Posted by Fab

For DAMS : did they enter any ? I remember the Cadillac entries, but not Riley' chassis....

No , they didnt Fab . Im just saying "imagine" if they had got their hands on a R&S Mk.3C with an Elan in the back of it ..... They would have made that work !!! Far better option than wasting a year with a Lambo in the Fia GT !!!

tamar · 31 Mar 2005, 15:06 (Ref:1266295)

Actually I remember Riley had a big hand in developping the initial Cadillac chassis.
And had to take the "low drag low downforce" route as he knew before hand that the Northstar engine would be down on power.

Another example of what happenes if a major manufactor isn't willin to commit 100% to a sportscar project

No disrespect to Bill though I think Riley is a great company, and they sure made an impression on my first visit to Le Mans.
My ears are still ringing from that raw Aurora V8

The Badger · 31 Mar 2005, 15:25 (Ref:1266311)

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Originally Posted by tamar

My ears are still ringing from that raw Aurora V8

Yeaaah ..... that was a cool sounding engine . It still is one of my all time favourite;'s too .....

tamar · 31 Mar 2005, 15:45 (Ref:1266324)

I remember the guys from radio le mans reporting the engine's demise at 02.00 in the morning...in one way........ sad the other way.......happy .....cause now they could finally catch some sleep!

paul-collins · 31 Mar 2005, 15:46 (Ref:1266327)

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Originally Posted by tamar

Actually I remember Riley had a big hand in developping the initial Cadillac chassis.
And had to take the "low drag low downforce" route as he knew before hand that the Northstar engine would be down on power.

Don't forget the insistence (not Bill's) on the functional front grille!

The Badger · 1 Apr 2005, 11:24 (Ref:1267005)

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Originally Posted by paul-collins

Don't forget the insistence (not Bill's) on the functional front grille!

Dont know what you mean , unless you mean a marketing gizmo idea of the grill looking something like that on the road cars ?

I remember the demise of that car too , in the early hours , and when it had a biggy in the gravel trap . Its gotta be my alltime favourite chassis too . Everything about it was nice , even the colors , and decent drivers !!!

Comon the lotto ..... Its and R&S Judd for me !!!

I wish !!!

paul-collins · 1 Apr 2005, 12:45 (Ref:1267096)

Yes, the first iteration of the Cadillac LMP had that grill on front and it was functional. The design was driven by the marketing. I'm not sure if the Stroud-revised chassis retained it as a functional item, and of course Stroud's clean sheet design had no visual reference to it.

Spiteful · 1 Apr 2005, 16:45 (Ref:1267292)

I'm pretty sure it was just a sticker on the revised car

Dauntless · 1 Apr 2005, 18:25 (Ref:1267340)

Does anyone know if these cars are on display somewhere? I would love to see them, especially the 1st Caddy LMP, which I too consider one of the most attractive sports racers ever penned.

tamar · 2 Apr 2005, 10:18 (Ref:1267746)

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Originally Posted by Spiteful

I'm pretty sure it was just a sticker on the revised car

Nope no grill at all

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Originally Posted by Dauntless

Does anyone know if these cars are on display somewhere? I would love to see them, especially the 1st Caddy LMP, which I too consider one of the most attractive sports racers ever penned.

Yeah it was a pretty face, but with a glass jaw. As an (graphic) artist I did loved how they incorporated some of the Caddy design styles.

But such items are often found on 1st borns, remember the Audi R8coupe also a good looker. On the other hand the first BMW LMP looked lumpy even with the doubble kidney grille.

Tamar

tamar · 2 Apr 2005, 11:05 (Ref:1267767)

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Originally Posted by Dauntless

Does anyone know if these cars are on display somewhere? I would love to see them..

By sheer coincidence and via Dailysportscar.com: The Caddy LMP 02 is on display in Florida at Barret & Jackson.
And if you're really crazy about this car you can buy it as well

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/event....asp?id=180361

Rich R · 2 Apr 2005, 11:19 (Ref:1267786)

i thought it was the 01 car that had a sticker grille, the revised version of the riley designed car that outwardly looks similar to 2000 car. the audilac didn't have a grille at all though so you are partially right tamar

Dauntless · 2 Apr 2005, 14:36 (Ref:1267894)

Tamar, you da man!!!

Of course, we are talking beauty here, not performance...unfortunately!

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