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mac · 12 Sep 2005, 06:23 (Ref:1405273)

I gave it to Webber for being the first guy to make slicks pay off. He also drove a very strong race with a couple of handy moves. And his race pace was quite astonishing - something various people in here have questioned at times.

Button and Monteiro tie for second. Monteiro is really staking a claim for next season.

Kimi, Montoya and Ralf can go in next. I was staggered by Ralf's pace when he was chasing down Montoya.

Jarno, Villeneuve and Massa can slot in next.

Overall some very impressive pieces of driving, coupled with some not-so-impressive pieces of driving.

But all-in-all a very interesting race.

marcel82 · 12 Sep 2005, 07:33 (Ref:1405314)

I voted Monteiro. he started last, or second to last, and still gained a point. from a mclaren or renault, you'd expect such a drive, but not from a rookie-driven jordan

and not to forget: only 3 races left, and he still hasn't retired once.

Raglanparade · 12 Sep 2005, 08:17 (Ref:1405348)

Has a driver from a non-works team in the modern-era (1980's onwards) ever finished every race in a season >?

Mark Webber · 12 Sep 2005, 08:19 (Ref:1405349)

Mark for me 4th place with 4 pitstops top effort then Ralf he drove a stong race and could have won it

Mr V · 12 Sep 2005, 08:45 (Ref:1405378)

Monterio for me, Jenson a close second.

Russ-Turner · 12 Sep 2005, 09:12 (Ref:1405405)

Pizzonia!

runshaw · 12 Sep 2005, 10:39 (Ref:1405484)

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Originally Posted by Menelaos

No I still don't care. If Sato and Pizzonia hadn't made stupid mistakes he'd be out of the points! If you say he did well because he finished ahead of Klien and Massa I can agree on that one obviously. But being in the points is totally irrelevant.

If Sato and Pizzonia hadn't made stupid mistakes he'd be out of the points- you seem to be missing a point here, because those two did make stupid mistakes which ended up with them sitting by the side of the track with damaged cars, Monteiro didn't. You can't say 'if' in motor racing.

Being in the points is totally irrelevant- your opinions are somewhat strange/stupid it is difficult to comprehend.

Menelaos · 12 Sep 2005, 10:44 (Ref:1405490)

my opinion is simple: you can say someone did a great race because they finished ahead of other people with better cars, that's the case with Monteiro. Whether he scored points or not though has nothing to do with his race being good or not. Don't you agree on this? I mean, come on, if JPM had finished the race and Monteiro did not get a point would that make his race less impressive?

runshaw · 12 Sep 2005, 11:28 (Ref:1405540)

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Originally Posted by Menelaos

I mean, come on, if JPM had finished the race and Monteiro did not get a point would that make his race less impressive?

Why do you keep talking about Montoya? It's all 'if, if, if' with you. Montoya crashed, simple, which allowed Monteiro to get a point.

Ok, your view is that you don't care that he scored a point because of the number of retirements. Do you not care that Button scored a podium? Do you think he had a bad race because he inherited a podium and so doesn't deserve it?

Logrence · 12 Sep 2005, 11:31 (Ref:1405547)

Still Raikkonen - what more can the boy do to win the championship? He is at the top of his game and everyone else's.

Silk Cut Jaguar · 12 Sep 2005, 11:39 (Ref:1405555)

I'd like to be voting for Ralf right now, and I suspect if it hadn't have been for his mishap on the wrong tyres pretty much everybody else would be too. Ifs and buts are part of motorsport though so my vote goes to Tiago, stirling drive in an undeserving car.

Menelaos · 12 Sep 2005, 11:50 (Ref:1405566)

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Originally Posted by runshaw

Why do you keep talking about Montoya? It's all 'if, if, if' with you. Montoya crashed, simple, which allowed Monteiro to get a point.

Ok, your view is that you don't care that he scored a point because of the number of retirements. Do you not care that Button scored a podium? Do you think he had a bad race because he inherited a podium and so doesn't deserve it?

But no, you're missing my point. I think Monteiro did great because he finished ahead of better cars. I think Button did great because he was awesome. What I said is that I don't care about whether he scored a point or not. He had a great race, he drove very well and I would still say that even if he didn't score one single point, that's my point of view. If someone has a great race he's had a great race regardless of whether he finishes third or if the two guys in front of him take each other out and he wins. Am I not right?

runshaw · 12 Sep 2005, 12:24 (Ref:1405598)

Yes I agree that if Monteiro had not finished 8th, but 10th, I would still say he had a great race because he did. But you said that the point he scored was irrelevant, when it wasn't.

Kirk · 12 Sep 2005, 12:33 (Ref:1405602)

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Originally Posted by Menelaos

Kirk - Sure, but no one was that much better compared to the others, that's what I mean

Oh, I see. But you still must give credit where it is due. Spa is a fast track and to race in those conditions can be treacherous; and several drivers displayed some fine driving skills and bravery, and in some cases surprised me... namely MW and Button. MW for his car control on slicks and Button for his excellent judgement and aggressive driving when he needed it.
I haven't voted yet because in my view there were several outstanding performances. If I had to choose, I suppose a tie between Monteiro and Jacques would be my choice, but I also credit Kimi, RS, JPM, RB ... geees even Schumi was perhaps headed for a podium until his race was ruined. Too bad about Fisi, not sure what happened there but there there seemed to be something afoot with his car. He is the hard luck driver of '05.

Menelaos · 12 Sep 2005, 14:04 (Ref:1405667)

Quote:

Originally Posted by runshaw

Yes I agree that if Monteiro had not finished 8th, but 10th, I would still say he had a great race because he did. But you said that the point he scored was irrelevant, when it wasn't.

yeah, I guess we agree then. With a wise choice of words at least we would agree

curveball · 12 Sep 2005, 15:11 (Ref:1405725)

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Originally Posted by FPV GTHO

Wouldnt those times provide greater evidence for either Ralf or Webber as opposed to JV? RS and MW get my choice though, Ralf got the setup right, but was robbed with that stategy error, whilst Webber kept it together and didnt lose his cool in the first sting being stuck midfield.

Not for me they dont. Yeah those drivers ahead of JV in those listings did better, but they also should, look at their respective teams' budgets and equipment. IMO, there should be no way for Sauber to be contending (and beating) the team with the biggest budget (Toyota) or even Williams.

JV for me. Nice to see him driving like that!

krt917 · 12 Sep 2005, 17:23 (Ref:1405863)

There were a number of good drives at Spa, but for me it comes down to Ralf or Button.

Alonso did exactly what was needed.

The McLarens clearly had an edge, and Kimi pretty much admitted that they didn't need to push too much in the race. Ralf took advantage of a piece of good fortune to really have go at them, but then made his poor tyre choice.

And so, my vote goes to JB for hanging onto the car when it was poor, making some great moves, and for being clever enough to not change tyres at his final stop. Got a podium from nothing.

**Adam43** · 12 Sep 2005, 18:11 (Ref:1405925)

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Originally Posted by Russ-Turner

Pizzonia!

Do you want him added?

ASCII Man · 12 Sep 2005, 18:25 (Ref:1405946)

How about adding Sato for taking out TGF?

Louis B. · 12 Sep 2005, 18:34 (Ref:1405957)

We really missed a lot of the action (probably because there was too much going on). If accurate, the following report on the Monteiro / TRulli accident would, IMO, disqualify Monteiro for the title of driver of the race. What I had read yesterday was that he had some misfire problem with is engine for which, obviously, we cannot blame him. However, if he in fact hit by mistake the speed limiter on the race track, that was pretty silly don't you think?

See: http://auto.web-log.nl/log/3545529

BootsOntheSide · 12 Sep 2005, 19:28 (Ref:1406004)

Also, did anyone else notice that Montiero appeared to park in the 17th grid spot instead of the 19th one? I know he probably got no advantage form it, but it was a bit careless.

**Adam43** · 12 Sep 2005, 19:32 (Ref:1406010)

Both Minardi's decided to start from the pitlane. When did they decide this? IIRC this dictates if the gaps are closed. I'll have a look at the rules later.

Kicking-back · 12 Sep 2005, 21:09 (Ref:1406125)

If Minardi informed the FIA in advance of the dummy grid being formed, then Charlie Whiting would probably have told the grid to close up.

If they had pitted after the warm-up lap, clearly the gaps should have remained.

Pitstop · 12 Sep 2005, 22:55 (Ref:1406196)

JB got my vote this time around - Ralf was good, so was Alonso, he did what he needed to do, a little IT (intelligent thinking!!).

JeremySmith · 13 Sep 2005, 00:15 (Ref:1406225)

I choose Jenson Button fast and smooth, race and some very clean passing. Major shame for JPM, very bad luck..Alonso did what was needed, but he is playing way too safe IMHO of course.

View Poll Results: Driver of Belgium 2005
Kimi Räikkönen	12	9.68%
Fernando Alonso	1	0.81%
Jenson Button	26	20.97%
Mark Webber	23	18.55%
Rubens Barrichello	0	0%
Jacques Villeneuve	21	16.94%
Ralf Schumacher	9	7.26%
Tiago Monteiro	23	18.55%
Christian Klien	0	0%
Felipe Massa	1	0.81%
Juan Pablo Montoya	8	6.45%
Jarno Trulli	0	0%
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