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29 Jan 2007, 20:34 (Ref:1828914) | #51 | |
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Good news, and will make Peugeot's life an interesting one. I hope that my favorite team- creation can keep them behind. How Pescarolo will compare should be fun too, but I don't think M Short would be too happy to have read the news today. P1 and P2 looking very good!
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29 Jan 2007, 20:35 (Ref:1828915) | #52 | |
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Swiss Spirit won't get an R10 because they'll go to the likes of Joest and Audi UK.
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I can see the political angles in play here:
1. let's assume that peugeot goes "fast enough to win." I doubt very much that anything can be said to be proven if the Lola/Audi keeps up with the Peugeot - particularly if we don't know if the Pug chassis is any good. 2. If the Audi-Lola beats the Chamberlain Lola, then Audi can claim that last year's competitions with Dyson were settled because of AER's weakness. You can bet they'll be swift to compare Swiss Spirit to Chamberlain as "equal teams." 3. If the Audi-Lola beats the Pesca/Courage/Zytek '07 cars, you can bet that the claim will be that this further proves that the Audi engine is very superior to the AER. (Remember, also, that the Zytek has proven to be, in limited head-to-head competition with Dyson, faster than the Lola B06/10) Now, I don't think we'll really know if the engine is equivalent to the diesel based on anything we'll see this year - unless Swiss Spirit wins Le Mans. I think, honestly, that Audi would be tempted to throw away the ALMS season championship in toto to preserve any Le Mans advantage at this point. Regardless, it's an exciting announcement, and too bad it's an exclusive engine deal. I'd love for them to open it up ultimately, and start having a true customer program. |
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1 word, FANTASTIC!!!, it will be great to hear the audi FSI petrol engine noise again, and i must say im really looking forward to this one.
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The smaller restictors equal lower top end power. But the '02 specs are what really count for the intents and purposes here. The current restictor rules are based off of 2002's specs. So the Audi R8 power figure is just about right for the new car.
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10% in 2003, then a further 5% in 2005 as the second year of LMP900 restrictions kicked in, the same year Pescaolo ran their first hybrid and were way quicker than the underpowered, overweight R8. Full LMP1 cars have 15% bigger restrictors than a 2005 R8. Last edited by JAG; 29 Jan 2007 at 23:18. |
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Anyword on wheter or not they'll use the R8's gearbox?
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I was over at DSC first this evening and saw the story, and my third thought (first thought: is this April 1? Second thought: you would need GPS to find this part of left field again...) and third thought, jeepers, I imagine there are 50 posts on a thread over at 10 tenths by now, and my guess was about 19 posts short!
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Nice, finally a top notch gasoline engine racing again in P1.
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Huhhh! And the Judd and AER aren't top notch!!!!
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Have just read the cosworth article on DSC where they converted the chevrolet IRL motor to 3.6 litres and twin turbos for a sports car engine – just like the AER and R8 motors…….Bruce Wood is quoting 617bhp and 730 Nm torque for the cosworth…….and says from “their information” the R8 has 610bhp and 700Nm with its latest size of restrictors……….so the R8 has “around” 610bhp…………
just had a read of the 2006 ACO regs for restrictor sizes on a 5.5 Diesel, Audi run two 39,9mm restrictors, and as Peugeot run a closed top car they are allowed to increase each restrictor by 0.4mm to 40.3mm……..work out the cross sectional area for each (1250mm Audi, and 1275mm for pug) and you can see that its only a 2% bigger restrictor for Peugeot………so in terms of the 660 bhp for the R10 and the 700bhp for the pug……..someone is telling porkies…….because 2% of 660 and 700 is only a difference of between 13bhp and 14bhp…….. so to conclude if the R8 has 610bhp and the R10 and peugeot have "around" 700bhp………that’s a difference of 90bhp in favour of the diesels……then theres the small matter of the diesels having 1300Nm of torque, and the R8 having 700Nm.......thats a difference of wait for it......600Nm in favour of the Diesels.........and Audi are hoping that lending out an R8 motor will prove the diesel and gasoline regs are equal – pull the other one Last edited by knighty; 30 Jan 2007 at 08:45. |
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@knighty: I think you have your numbers wrong.
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yes the numbers are a bit of a minefield - even so - the main point still stands - the gasoline and diesel regs are still well in favour of the Diesel - I just cant see how Audi are hoping to prove otherwise?
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The main concern for this project (in 2007) would appear to be the enormous amount of work there is still to do before the car actually hits the track. They are doing all they can to debut at Monza, but, even if they achieve that goal, how long will it take to get the car properly sorted. I would suggest that it could be 2008 before we see what it's truly capable of.
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Personally I think it will be just that, quick and reliable straight away. The engine is a proven engine and should perform well providing everything fits into the Lola properly and im sure it will. The only doubt is the new Lola chassis, but seeing as its a evolution of the 2006 spec Lola's I see no reason why it wont be competitve right away. All that should be needed is time to find differnt setups.
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The main problem will be to mount the Audi V8 FSI in the Lola chassis and fit it on the Lola gearbox (the Audi engine was designed for the Ricardo gearbox).
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