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It's disgraceful the way the BBC has been treated by both Bernie and the government. It deserved to keep F1 after the brilliant job it did. The people who did it were top notch. Somehow I don't think Channel 4 will be quite the same. Only hope now is BT Sport get it
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Will Jordan make the cross over? Will Anderson make a return?
I assume they will keep their promises on advert free race coverage. They should've gone to Ch 4 rather than Sky in the first place. |
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Nice maths. I think your wrong by a factor of one million. However that is for both.
You also need to allow for the period - i.e. Wimbledon fortnight. You've attempted for F1, but not the tennis. I suspect 1.6m is an average game or the highlights package - the finals will be higher. Although there is no google involved in this guess. I wonder if I am nearer despite making this up. Anyway I came here to say on thing: Thank heavens it isn't ITV! |
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I though the BBC show was pretty good. Let's hope c4 also make a good fist of it. I get the feeling it's only a matter of time before free to air F1 coverage disappears altogether though. |
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It looks like I'm now one step closer to either stopping watching F! altogether after 50+ years, or finding myself some sort of undetectable but illegal way of watching it over the internet for free...
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21 Dec 2015, 13:25 (Ref:3599170) | #757 | ||
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So the 2014 Mens Singles Final averaged at 5.9m (significantly higher than my previous Google result!). So that sways it back in Tennis favour. But then, Wimbledon is £40m for 2 weeks of sport, whilst F1 is £55m for 9 months of sport. So that sways it back. However, despite F1s higher initial cost, it appears to come out as better value than Tennis no matter how it is looked at. So the initial point still stands - BBC was never going to keep F1. You can blame the Goverment for not supporting the BBC, and you can blame the BBC for not managing the sport equally. But I don't see how this particular one is Bernies fault given the numbers. But really, this deal puts F1 in an even worse place than it was this year. Those without Sky Sports will still be stuck with half the races. The BBC coverage is good, but I don't see Channel 4 being any better. I do see ads creeping into the live races, just like ITV did. So anyone watch on free TV is no better off. The suggestion of having it between Sky Sports and BT Sport would be a disaster. Those without Sky Sports will almost certainly not have BT Sports. So there would be no free coverage in the UK? Lovely. When do I get to opt out of my TV License now that I'm paying for quite literally nothing now? |
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The BBC also produces quality content that wouldn't get produced otherwise. That is what the licence is for - educational, informative, minority programmes, and programmes for those disadvantaged as well as for more mainstream programmes produced in a non commercial quality way.
You can't opt out of paying for health care, education, roads and other infrastructure you don't use either. Sorry. |
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http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check-if-you-need-one If you do not watch Live TV then it is not required. If you watch Live TV online that is broadcast at the same time as it is broadcast in the UK (So Eurosport player, ITV Player, etc), then you do need one. Since all events I watch are now tape delayed online, and I do not watch TV at all, I don't actually require one. It even introduces an odd grey area with events like WEC, which are broadcast live online, but the web broadcast is a different show to the Eurosport UK broadcast. |
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You get my point though? Or are we now in that kind of discussion. The point of the TV licence is to fund programmes that other people watch. No one watches all the programmes commissioned on BBC. I was not talking about whether you need one, rather why the masses are charged, yet programmes for the minority are made.
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I get your point for general infrastructure (and completely agree - for the record, I'm a huge NHS fan, despite the complaints), but not for general entertainment, no. I will happily pay into a health care system i rarely use as it saves peoples lives. I will pay into road tax as it keeps the country running. That's all good. I won't pay for people to be entertained by TV, for the same reason I don't pay for peoples internet access. I don't feel that is my social responsibility.
The reason we've gone down this route is that the BBCs cost cutting also means program cutting, and therefore viewer cutting. This idea that they can spend less and still expect everybody to contribute whilst they cut off broadcasts which are popular is not a good way of going. And since they've continually cut away the F1 contract (the one TV show I did care about), using fake excuses about money, I don't see why I should continue to contribute to other peoples entertainment. The government and BBC management is badly mismanaging the BBC at the moment F1 fans are casualties of that. |
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Akrapovic, it is too easy to misuse figures without even attempting to do so, and you seem to have done so with the viewing figures/time periods about both these sports.
Yes, Wimbledon may only last 13 days usually, but there is wall-to-wall TV coverage lasting a minimum of about 10 hours per day over the two main channels, plus all the additional feeds on the red button which covers the lesser courts. That all totals around 250 hours for the fortnight, and it all takes place almost down the road from BBC Towers. With the GPs, it is slightly more difficult to look at the figures. The Beeb show just 10 races/qualifications live which means that they broadcast about 65 hours live plus around 30 hours for the delayed "live" races. In addition, there are the highlights programmes which possibly account for another 30 hours or so. So, allowing for distortions in my calculations, F1 has some way to catch up with the hours that the tennis is available during that fortnight. |
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also the size of the global audience, which buy and use the BBC feed, should be taken into account.
i would be very surprised if the BBC's mainly domestic coverage of F1 comes anywhere close to what the BBC get from their tennis coverage, both in terms of financial benefit from selling the Wimbledon feed internationally and in terms of global viewers (particularly in the US). |
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Further to my posting above, there are further distortions that need to be taken into account when you compare the two sports' events, and I don't know the figures for these.
The BBC also sells the broadcasts from both F1 and Wimbledon to other countries, and there is a possibility that much of their costs are recovered by those sales. The Beeb will now lose that income stream from F1. |
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Does not surprise me that BBC is quitting three year's early.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35149963 But at least it will remain on terrestial TV with Ch 4 ... Pity that we are all going to enjoy the adverts from now on ... Wonder who the presenters will be on Ch 4 unless I have missed something ... I really hope that the F1 show will improve which has affected the viewing figures, but I will not hold my breath ... |
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I sincerely hope not. I refuse to pay for Sky or BT Sport
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Me too, F1 is pretty dire anyway.
Not like the good old days when Murray was commentating. About time he was awarded a knighthood |
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