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I totally get the negativity towards the programme, but for me, I'm on the other side of the fence, I want to see what this car is capable of. My gut feeling is that it is fundamentally a better car than the BR1, and that had things turned out differently, it would now be Rebellion's main privateer adversary. Maybe we'll find that out, and maybe we won't... |
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Even though everyone had already given up on it and thought it was wasted chassis, the Ginetta LMP3 was actually pretty good against the other manufacturers on proper hands. It almost even took pole position at Road to Le Mans couple of years ago.
So I think with time this could still come solid as well... however, if these cars are foolishly rendered obsolete by 2020 already (or possibly 2021) to make room for LMGTP, would people really want to invest in it when it's already getting 'late'... I still blame Ginetta on not running the car at least themselves somewhere. If you don't show it, you also won't be able to sell it. Of course, were they allowed to run it in ELMS it would be easier for their "limited capabilities", but you know... |
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Arguably, spending more money to continue the car could be worse. Are they going to sell any of these? Not likely. Are they going to break even? Not likely. Why sink more money into it? Is that going to be good for Ginetta?
I can't remember who said it, but I once heard something that basically said that reality is a branching stream of probabilities, and by putting effort into things you increase the probability of success and decrease the possibility of failure. However, sometimes, no matter how hard you work, failure is sometimes the only possible outcome. Once you get to that point, you should cancel the project immediately to cut future losses. Unless you're a government project, then you'll continue on for at least another 5 years before cancellation. |
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If they bail out, perhaps ACO also kills off the fresh LMP3 cartel deal with them. Maybe there are stipulations for that
Anyway they could still take their time nice and steady if there was guarantee that these cars are still eligible beyond LM 2020 But there isn't |
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http://www.endurance-info.com/fr/ewa...in-de-semaine/
The technical director of Ginetta will leave the manufacturer this weekend. I think this marks the final end for the Ginetta LMP1 project. Really sad as the car was the most promising design of all privateers but could never show it |
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If it is truly done from Ginetta side (let us wait and see what happens), there is still the possibility of the car or at least the monocoque being bought and utilised elsewhere. This is something we have seen endless of times in Sportscar racing, most successful being the Reynard/DBA/Zytek.
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You are correct. I believe he was talking more about design specs than anything else, since P1 and P2 tubs are effectively identical nowadays(result of safety rules). |
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With IMSA's P2-DPi class split it wouldn't be beyond imagination for them to let the Korean manufacturers dollars flow into the series if the stream is thick enough and allow a Ginetta designed tub to 'compete' in their top prototype class (not saying it's likely either).
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Is the Ginetta going to appear in Japan?
They say a person needs just three things to be truly happy in this world: someone to love, something to do, and something to hope for. |
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It'd be a few months late if it appeared in Japan
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We will have zero hypercars because that's for 2020/2021.
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I believe that the current lmp1's of the private teams will be grandfathered for the first season. I think that is the best way to go unless you have a lot of partakers in the first year of these new regs.
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And, according to Graham, it would appear that, for now, the programme is dormant, rather than dead, and that there's a glimmer (or maybe a bit more than a glimmer) of hope that we'll see one car for the remaining three races of this season. I know, we've been here before, but Graham sounded genuinely hopeful. Fingers crossed! Last edited by Bentley03; 5 Dec 2018 at 11:04. Reason: Can't spell... |
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Graham Goodwin (Daily Sportscar editor). Graham understands that funding to resurrect the programme is now in place and that the LMEM and ACO just need to be convinced that they are able to pay whatever fines are due. If I've understood correctly, it all comes down to the response from the LMEM and ACO. If they get the green light, it appears that it would be for a single car entry only.
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Ah.... thought you were referring to Graeme Lowdon (who was last reported as having left the project).
I hope Graham Goodwin is correct about funding, but I think Ginetta has bigger problems to overcome. The Ginetta LMP1 has not been seen since Le Mans, where it performed like a mid-field LMP2. Mecachrome got the blame, but who knows how it will perform or how reliable it will be with AER power. Has it even done any testing? Can they really gain enough data from three single-entry races to catch the established constructors? The departed tech chief probably figured out the answer to that just before he quit. |
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