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20 Mar 2016, 16:10 (Ref:3625188)
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Great to see the Americans back in F1.
When I was over there in 2012 covering the 'Indy 500', their enthusiasm was infectious. |
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20 Mar 2016, 16:16 (Ref:3625190)
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A credible and creditable beginning.It will be interesting to see how it all progresses.
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20 Mar 2016, 18:14 (Ref:3625235)
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After the last efforts, I promised myself not to get excited about an American F1 team until they actually make it to the track and didn't embarrass themselves along the way.
Well done, Haas and Romain!  Shame Gutierrez got caught up with Alonso, but glad they are both ok. Please keep progressing!!! |
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20 Mar 2016, 19:18 (Ref:3625256)
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Haas is an ex-con, lol. We've had the toaster team, various teams like HRT that barely made it, we've had Lola F1 and on it goes. Good money was very reasonably on him not making it here. And he made it and scored a few points to boot, so well done to him. I do think Australia can be an anomaly of sorts, so it'll be interesting to see how the season and indeed the seasons unfold.
I think Haas' success here means that we'll be seeing more of this business mode in the years ahead. |
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20 Mar 2016, 23:42 (Ref:3625337)
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21 Mar 2016, 00:45 (Ref:3625355)
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NBCSN put together a nice one hour documentary that aired today after the race (maybe that was a repeat?). Regardless, maybe they will post it online? It showed some interesting behind the scenes stuff and covered the time period from a few weeks prior to testing through both weeks of testing.
Interesting moments include assembly, painting and first firing at Dallara and some frustration showing though during debriefing at end of test with lost time due to issues that came up. Here is the link to the info on NBCSN... http://www.nbcsports.com/video/haas-...irs-march-16th Richard |
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21 Mar 2016, 02:04 (Ref:3625375)
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21 Mar 2016, 06:04 (Ref:3625403)
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It's good to see Team Haas have a good inaugural race. Long way to go in this season and it gets harder to stay competitive as other teams evolve their cars - running what you have well and at the same time developing new parts / approaches that deliver is no easy task.
I get the feeling that Haas is up to it though. Here we have a wealthy man who is building his own team from scratch rather than taking the easy way of parachuting into an existing team with a big bag of gold. Having a team owner who is well-resourced also puts the team in a more stable place than pretty much all of the recent new teams. The approach seems right, the resources are there - let's hope that the team can stay competitive and keep delivering. Having a new team in the mix (rather than 3 seconds off the pace) is good for F1 and in particular that team being from the USA is a very positive outcome. |
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21 Mar 2016, 11:07 (Ref:3625466)
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Last to score a point in first race. 2002 Australia. Toyota. Mika Salo. Finished 6th for 1 point. First turn crash took out half the field and only 8 cars were running at the end of the race. Toyota had one of the biggest budgets in F1 back then. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_A...ian_Grand_Prix https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evwB22JqRsU |
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21 Mar 2016, 11:19 (Ref:3625470)
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21 Mar 2016, 13:09 (Ref:3625509)
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It all seems a long time since Craig Pollock and Adrian Reynard were saying that BAR could win in their first race.
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21 Mar 2016, 13:44 (Ref:3625532)
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Amazing debut. Almost makes me want to become a fan of the team? Also nice to see Dallara achieving something good in not-total-spec environment.
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21 Mar 2016, 18:30 (Ref:3625658)
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21 Mar 2016, 18:59 (Ref:3625676)
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* Ferrari PSU (and I think transmission right?) * Ferrari suspension * Dallara monocoque * Haas & Dallara aero and remaining other bits. I think the suspension stuff was a real leg up because things like mount points, etc. would have been pre-set. Not to mention (I assume) hubs, and everything else related to the suspension. Lots of work that wouldn't have to be done and a relatively proven solution. Then it sounds like it was a combined effort on the aero side (paging Ferrari conspiracy theorists!) including not having to try to be ready for 2015 season (delay for a year). If I remember the initial news it was "Car by Dallara" which includes a lot of stuff that ended up coming from Ferrari. So I can understand some of the initial hesitation on the idea of a pure Dallara car. I thought outsourcing for the initial season (or seasons) to Dallara was a great idea, but I never thought a 100% Dallara car would have done this good out of the box or even with a season of development. Richard |
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21 Mar 2016, 19:20 (Ref:3625685)
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similar concerns were raised when Red Bull bought Minardi and turned STR into a B spec team. to their credit STR have walked out of that relationship and over the years risen to the level of truly independent privateer. Haas have used these technical partnerships to great effect to make it to the grid but there is no reason to think that given more time, next season and on wards, that they wont start taking more control over their own design and manufacturing processes. im looking forward to see how they use this to develop some new sponsorship deal and possibly what new sponsors they can attract to the sport. Last edited by chillibowl; 21 Mar 2016 at 19:27. |
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21 Mar 2016, 20:38 (Ref:3625709)
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How much of a "real" Dallara the original garbage-HRT car was?
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21 Mar 2016, 21:09 (Ref:3625723)
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22 Mar 2016, 08:17 (Ref:3625831)
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Haas has done much better than I expected, and full credit to them!
The HRT Dallara went for a couple of months without development when HRT stopped paying them remember. Then HRT moaned about it when it was delivered, but continued to use it with minimal changes anyway. |
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22 Mar 2016, 17:46 (Ref:3626022)
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I forgot about the Dallara chassis, first points since 92
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2 Apr 2016, 17:24 (Ref:3629578)
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9th in qualifying in second ever event. Quite amazing stuff. I wouldn't even count out podium late season if some random circumstances were to occur.
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2 Apr 2016, 17:31 (Ref:3629581)
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Indeed on Qing today. Still a tall order to podium by the end of the year but it's possible. They'll certainly need some help.
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2 Apr 2016, 17:41 (Ref:3629587)
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It's just sad not all are acknowledging these efforts, but rather putting damper on Ferrari & Dallara having too much input. Even though this is exactly what should be happening, customer team effect, not some horrible Caterham/HRT/etc level of hopeless wandering.
The grid should be open to up to 30 teams or so trying to qualify for the 26 spots every race, whether it's entirely self designed packages or half-customer packages or full customer packages. Free to enter whatever races they wish, just like in the early 90's still. Haas has shown that things can be done properly, even if their planning stage was lengthy one. |
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2 Apr 2016, 20:58 (Ref:3629636)
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Yes, they've done a very good job. Lucked into a chance in Australia, but made the best of it and that was a decent Q today.
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2 Apr 2016, 23:19 (Ref:3629670)
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Excellent results and shows what good planning and resisting a headlong rush into putting a car onto the grid can do. It is I suppose how cars were made back in the old days, select the bits you want and break out the spanners.
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3 Apr 2016, 04:07 (Ref:3629737)
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Dreaded double post.
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