General Sportscar Chat thread

[canaglia]

Originally Posted by CTD

Sounds to me like the journalist took some freedoms.
Main point for me is that the Penalties will fall for giving false data, as the BoP between Hybrid and non-Hybrid is supposed to make them "equal".

So if we see that the Non-Hybrids are able to be faster in single lap or at a certain stage of the spring, nothing will happen. If the Non-hybrids carry a consistant faster pace, then there will be penalties.

A quite unlikely scenario.... but anyway it would the triumph of madness if it would happen for real.
A private lmp1 penalized because too much faster than clearly sandbagging toyotas....

Time to drop motorsport and get some more genuine stuff like WWE

[Mechanic Z]

Originally Posted by Mike E

Spy shots of heavily disguised, mid-engined, turbo Corvette C8.

"It's expected to spawn a C8.R racing variant that could hit the track in 2019 for the International Motor Sports Association (IMSA) sports car championship, with an entry into the Le Mans 24 Hours during that summer."

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/n...gined-supercar

Originally Posted by joeb

A turbo v6 option, what is this world coming to?

Mid-engine, V6...the Pontiac Fiero lives! All it needs now is a 4 cylinder option.

[NaBUru38]

Honda WTCR driver Esteban Guerrieri tested a Honda NSX GT3 at Paul Ricard.

http://carburando.com/notas/guerrier...un-nuevo-honda

[Bcarr6]

Originally Posted by NaBUru38

Honda WTCR driver Esteban Guerrieri tested a Honda NSX GT3 at Paul Ricard.

http://carburando.com/notas/guerrier...un-nuevo-honda

This was a BOP test, not testing for a specific programme

[NaBUru38]

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/m...ons-sports-car

The Alpine A110 now has GT4 and Cup versions.




The Alpine Europa Cup will start at Paul Ricard in June, and have additional rounds in Hockenheim, Spa-Francorchamps and Silverstone.

[Bcarr6]

Originally Posted by NaBUru38

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/m...ons-sports-car

The Alpine A110 now has GT4 and Cup versions.




The Alpine Europa Cup will start at Paul Ricard in June, and have additional rounds in Hockenheim, Spa-Francorchamps and Silverstone.

Does this look a little basic compared to the 570s, R8, AMG GT, M4 GT4s??

[Accident]

Originally Posted by Bcarr6

Does this look a little basic compared to the 570s, R8, AMG GT, M4 GT4s??

Yep, we probably need GT5 now for Alpine, Alfa 4C, BRZ, Miata, Ginetta G40.

[TF110]

Well the autocar article says the CUP CAR weighs 1050kg, so if it lacks some power it's no doubt that the GT4 version is able to run VERY light. There should be no reason it's heavier than the cup version of the A110.

[Japanese Samurai]

Japanese Autosport web is reporting FIA establishes minimum sales unit for FIA-GT3.
FIA-GT3 manufacturers must sell at least 10 cars in 12 months since homologated, 20 cars in 24 months.
http://www.as-web.jp/sports-car/346690?all

[broadrun96]

Originally Posted by Japanese Samurai

Japanese Autosport web is reporting FIA establishes minimum sales unit for FIA-GT3.
FIA-GT3 manufacturers must sell at least 10 cars in 12 months since homologated, 20 cars in 24 months.
http://www.as-web.jp/sports-car/346690?all

Must build those cars, if they want to build 20 in storage I don't think the FIA cares. You just have to actually prove you built 10, then 20 chassis. Looks like Lexus and Callaway will be done, Honda/Acura maybe as well but I didn't catch if that's retroactive or only for new homologation.

And I think that should shut the people who made previous claims Cadillac couldn't have real GT3 homologation, was nothing ever about having to sell or build minimums. The FIA hoped you would but didn't make it a rule.

[Mountain Man]

The principle is sensible enough, they need to at least try and keep the idea of GT3 moderately under control, although with the issue of evo kits BoP I think its far from a stand alone solution or problem

[joeb]

Originally Posted by Mountain Man

The principle is sensible enough, they need to at least try and keep the idea of GT3 moderately under control, although with the issue of evo kits BoP I think its far from a stand alone solution or problem

I agree, they are trying to prevent manufacturers from coming into gt3 full stop. But this doesn't do anything to stop Audi/Porsche/Mercedes/BMW/etc. from donating drivers and support to select teams. Also, this doesn't do anything to costs overall which is probably what is driving many folks towards gt4.

[StueyB83]

I don't think they are preventing Manufacturers from entry, rather forcing their hand to have more involvement to serve customers as the formula intended.

A market saturation due to the minimum build req's could create a price war that see GT3 ultimately go down in price - after all, in BoP aren't all cars supposed to be capable of the same performance/lap time anyway - although you can't really BoP a wide drivability window.

I am hoping with all 3 Japanese big brands now involved in GT3, the war among themselves would create more cars - but that remains to be seen.

Funny thing is, the FIA GT commission is formed from the participating manufacturers themselves...

Maybe we see a push back and relaxation of numbers - but given Aston can carve out 24 vulcans, McLaren 75 Senna GT-R's and Bentley 300 GT3-R Conti's - I doubt that will happen.

[MaskedRacer]

Trying to rank the different GT series on the planet right now from best to worst. I'll go with this:

1. IMSA GTLM/GTD
2. WEC GTE Pro/AM
3. Blancpain Endurance Series
4. Japan Super GT
5. ADAC GT Masters
6. VLN/N24
7. Blancpain GT Asia
8. Int' GT Open
9. Blancpain Sprint Series
10. Creventic 24H Series
11. Pirelli World Challenge

I'd rank IMSA GT slightly ahead of WEC right now. But lets see how GTD does in the non enduro rounds coming up. PWC is not looking healthy at all. Also the Blancpain Sprint Series has lost a lot of depth to the grid this year. Notice the series I find more interesting than Blancpain GT Sprint so far this year. Seriously GT Open and GT Asia was more interesting. The Zolder round was quite boring. Creventic grids are hurting this year too.

[BSchneiderFan]

Originally Posted by Accident

Yep, we probably need GT5 now for Alpine, Alfa 4C, BRZ, Miata, Ginetta G40.

I think we need a wholesale renumbering exercise before we go down that route!

[Koenigsegg]

Originally Posted by MaskedRacer

Trying to rank the different GT series on the planet right now from best to worst. I'll go with this:

1. IMSA GTLM/GTD
2. WEC GTE Pro/AM
3. Blancpain Endurance Series
4. Japan Super GT
5. ADAC GT Masters
6. VLN/N24
7. Blancpain GT Asia
8. Int' GT Open
9. Blancpain Sprint Series
10. Creventic 24H Series
11. Pirelli World Challenge

I'd rank IMSA GT slightly ahead of WEC right now. But lets see how GTD does in the non enduro rounds coming up. PWC is not looking healthy at all. Also the Blancpain Sprint Series has lost a lot of depth to the grid this year. Notice the series I find more interesting than Blancpain GT Sprint so far this year. Seriously GT Open and GT Asia was more interesting. The Zolder round was quite boring. Creventic grids are hurting this year too.

No love for GT4 and British GT?

[NSX_LeMans]

Walter Derani, father of Rafa and Pipo Derani, has passed away earlier this week while battling against cancer.
Walter was the cofounder of the GT3 Brasil championship with Antonio Hermann and SRO back in 2007.

[joeb]

Acura did a side by side comparison/test of their road going NSX and the GT3 version. I found it really interesting, and would be cool to see other makes do this as well.

https://youtu.be/tJkR2tIODko

[Mike E]

Not sure what the point of this is. Everything would still be BoP'd anyway, surely.

Unless... It's to make it easier to converge with ACO. Probably not.

https://sportscar365.com/other-serie...regs-for-2022/

[PascaLM]

Something I discovered this week, Astérix's creator Albert Uderzo, who died several days ago, was also the creator of the Matra Sport logo.

[Adam43]

Great fact!

I did not know he’d died

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http://www.dailysportscar.com/2020/0...re-in-lmp.html

"That would be my my view. The devil’s in the details, but I think these LMP2 teams have a choice. Go LMDH, or go LMP3 and even call it LMP2 if you want to, it would still be the second fastest prototype class! Those cars are brand new, fantastic and much less expensive to run. Then whether it’s GT, GT3, GTD, call it what you want. We know where there’s the heaviest concentration of manufacturers of GT cars, both for Pro and Pro Am .And then you’ve got four classes, and three types of racecars. Your top prototypes, your second prototypes, GTs and you’ve got a Pro class and a Pro Am class, which is what sportscar racing has always been about."

I guess 9 years (or perhaps 10-11 if we count LMPC) of Pro-Am racing existing in the world of ACO now equals to "always has been about"

I wouldn't be overly surprised if they rebranded LMP3 as new LMP2 though, as he says

[S griffin]

United Autosport have done well with their sportscar team. And I’m sure they will continue into the new era. Of course there is a problem with the current LMP2 likely to become obsolete. That said, I expect quite a few teams to step up to LMDh. It’s where the future is after all. It would be a big step for UA, but I reckon they could do it. That said, they might need a bit of a prize for the independent teams, as the manufacturers are likely to hold sway, but I could be wrong

Also I don’t think we will that big a difference between LMP1 and LMDh, I expect performance will be similar in terms of speed and racing

[joeb]

Originally Posted by Chiana

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2020/0...re-in-lmp.html

"That would be my my view. The devil’s in the details, but I think these LMP2 teams have a choice. Go LMDH, or go LMP3 and even call it LMP2 if you want to, it would still be the second fastest prototype class! Those cars are brand new, fantastic and much less expensive to run. Then whether it’s GT, GT3, GTD, call it what you want. We know where there’s the heaviest concentration of manufacturers of GT cars, both for Pro and Pro Am .And then you’ve got four classes, and three types of racecars. Your top prototypes, your second prototypes, GTs and you’ve got a Pro class and a Pro Am class, which is what sportscar racing has always been about."

I guess 9 years (or perhaps 10-11 if we count LMPC) of Pro-Am racing existing in the world of ACO now equals to "always has been about"

I wouldn't be overly surprised if they rebranded LMP3 as new LMP2 though, as he says

That overall class structure isn't all that bad. Especially of LMDh ends up with a similar budget to current P2 cars. It would give teams choices of what they want to run, and if the elms and imsa both take that same class structure it would be a benefit to the teams and drivers wanting to run the big races.

[joeb]

Mod note: I moved the talk of lmdh rules over to the lmp future regulations thread.

https://tentenths.com/forum/showthre...07659&page=503