Grp C/Grp A/V8SC 'Where are they now?' continued... - Page 35

William Dale Jr · 27 Jan 2006, 09:25 (Ref:1509962)

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Originally Posted by William Dale Jr

There were the two original GTRs at Bathurst in 1990, cars 1 and 1T. I can't remember when the new car made its first race start (either Bathurst or the AGP). IIRC, it was the newer car that Skaife wrote off during practice for the AGP races.

Just did a bit of checking:
- The original GTR did the final rounds of the ATCC and was present at Bathurst at car 1T. Then used at the AGP by Richards and at the Nissan 500 and NZ events by Richo/Skaife.
- The 'new' GTR had its only race at Bathurst as car 1. Skaife wrote this car off at the AGP meeting (although the Gibson team maintained otherwise).

I could be wrong about this, but it looks like the original GTR built was used by Skaife in the 1991 ATCC (up to Mallala) and in the 1992 ATCC. I think I'm wrong, because it means that the oldest GTR was used to win the 1992 ATCC...

**GTRMagic** · 27 Jan 2006, 09:37 (Ref:1509968)

There is only one of me.. GTRMagic.. and for that the world is eternally grateful

Camaroz · 27 Jan 2006, 09:41 (Ref:1509971)

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Originally Posted by William Dale Jr

Just did a bit of checking:
- The original GTR did the final rounds of the ATCC and was present at Bathurst at car 1T. Then used at the AGP by Richards and at the Nissan 500 and NZ events by Richo/Skaife.
- The 'new' GTR had its only race at Bathurst as car 1. Skaife wrote this car off at the AGP meeting (although the Gibson team maintained otherwise).

I could be wrong about this, but it looks like the original GTR built was used by Skaife in the 1991 ATCC (up to Mallala) and in the 1992 ATCC. I think I'm wrong, because it means that the oldest GTR was used to win the 1992 ATCC...

One car was sold to an English collector for club racing. An article in Autosport or Classic Car featured his collection including a GMS (Winfield?) "Godzilla". Rather than pontificate - does anyone know how to get some info from Fred or Terry?

Interesting stuff about the Esprit, hardly a Grp C or A though, can we keep it to the subject!!!!!!! (I'm not anti-Lotus, I've got the ex-Murray Bryden/Jim Murcott Super Seven in the Garage, more four leaf clover as far as I'm concerned but this thread is about C and A!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Camaroz · 27 Jan 2006, 10:08 (Ref:1509995)

Forget the Four Leaf Clover stuff, got it mixed up with the Alfa!

**GTRMagic** · 27 Jan 2006, 11:04 (Ref:1510032)

Glutton for punishment

mixxer · 27 Jan 2006, 12:44 (Ref:1510087)

Not quite a Supercar and certainly not a GRP A car but does anybody know what happened to the Garry Rogers Super ute ?
Saw it at Bathurst a while back and havent seen it again since.

**GTRMagic** · 27 Jan 2006, 20:39 (Ref:1510374)

It still in the GRM workshop... rumour has it that one of the enduro drivers from last season did a kazillion laps in it prior to the enduros so he wouldnt look inexperienced

rdmdog · 27 Jan 2006, 21:35 (Ref:1510418)

Was he also driving through the rest of the series for that team?

mtpanorama · 28 Jan 2006, 01:16 (Ref:1510552)

I remember being at amaroo when Paul Pickett owned both those P O S and Jim Richard was entered to drive one of them. Jim went out in the car on the friday , did a couple of lap and came back into the pits and refused to ever get back into the car again. They would have to be the worst 2lt car ever built, just beating the aussie built corrollas

mixxer · 28 Jan 2006, 02:24 (Ref:1510569)

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It still in the GRM workshop

I see said the blind man, I keep looking for it to come up on one of the car sales site's

Cheers

mixxer · 28 Jan 2006, 02:27 (Ref:1510570)

If the worst car ever built beat another car, what does that make the other car..........

sorry couldnt resist

**GTRMagic** · 28 Jan 2006, 02:47 (Ref:1510573)

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Originally Posted by mtpanorama

I remember being at amaroo when Paul Pickett owned both those P O S and Jim Richard was entered to drive one of them. Jim went out in the car on the friday , did a couple of lap and came back into the pits and refused to ever get back into the car again. They would have to be the worst 2lt car ever built, just beating the aussie built corrollas

Hmmm.. and who built all four of them? Mr DSO.. C.Bond Esq

Vanilla Dice · 29 Jan 2006, 22:07 (Ref:1511501)

They arent horrible cars, just built on the cheap. The roll cages are very simple, not enough bars in them for my liking, the suspension pieces functional without being tricky.. she aint no Eggenberger car...

...but the bigger problem in both cars is the engine..

The AllDai had a carp engine design, it wouldnt make the horsepower. But instead of putting a conventional engine in the car (like from a Corolla or something) for testing of the chassis, they perservered with the ol' clunker.. and the driver couldnt tell if the chassis or the engine sucked worse.

The idea has precedent... RouseSport did this a couple of times during the Mondeo development.. put a Carina engine in one at one stage.

Its a shame when Fully crashed that first AllDai that it didnt totally write it off..

cornermsport · 29 Jan 2006, 22:45 (Ref:1511525)

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Originally Posted by Vanilla Dice

...but the bigger problem in both cars is the engine..

The AllDai had a carp engine design, it wouldnt make the horsepower. But instead of putting a conventional engine in the car (like from a Corolla or something) for testing of the chassis, they perservered with the ol' clunker.. and the driver couldnt tell if the chassis or the engine sucked worse.

Geez, you better tell Mitsubishi then!!!!

The engines used in both of the Lantra supertourers was a normally aspirated Lancer EVO motor!! Not a bad starting block, just that no time or money went into development.

That was the downfall of both the Lantra's and the Corolla's. They were the only cars built here and they didn't have the money or development to make them competitive. It was a big gamble, but it was always going to be an uphill battle to be competative against the imports that had sqillions spent by manufacturers to make them into Supertourers. The downfall of the class in total, the crazy amounts spent!!

Vanilla Dice · 29 Jan 2006, 23:27 (Ref:1511543)

The engine was hotrodded locally. If they used the standard Mitsu Evo powerplant, even without the turbo, it would have been a better unit.

Designing a whole series of things to make the engine run the opposite way to its original design did not help this at all.

Then they started on some tuning work, with all sorts of air intakes and exhaust systems, none of which were super special at the time.

Heaven help the fool who parts with $27k to buy that OHOS.

Didnt the bloke who drove them originally end up at MSD in the UK with Hyundai?

rdmdog · 30 Jan 2006, 07:44 (Ref:1511653)

Steve Hardman, I think he ended up doing some rally stuff for them O/S.

Part it our for another race car, wheels, seat, dash, engine computer, brakes, could all go into such things as an Improved Production car, and the Xtrac gearbox (the expensive item that made the idea of changing the engine direction sound like a good idea) might be a viable seller on e-bay or some other manner in Europe?

racer2_uk · 31 Jan 2006, 21:39 (Ref:1513046)

Hi Steve Holmes, I was at Donington last year for the RS500 reunion, the cars there with an Australian connection were the Moffat / Rouse '87 Bathurst pole car, the Rouse / Brock car which is owned by Steve Matthias who races in the UK Ford saloon car championship in an escort cosworth, and I was in my DJR sierra number DJR 1, this is the car that was second at Bathurst in '88 and sold to Robb Gravett for the '89 BTCC.There was also a Texaco Eggenberger car which has a very good chance of racing in Australia at some point.
Many of the original drivers also turned out for a drive in their old cars.
Myself and Steve are hoping to get our cars in the Goodwood festival this year.

Andy Lloyd

Nismo · 31 Jan 2006, 22:35 (Ref:1513088)

Once the godzilla arrived on the scene in 1990, it virtually killed the RS500's into submission...

rdmdog · 1 Feb 2006, 08:26 (Ref:1513287)

Could have puit up a photo of an Aussie one!!

Does anyone have a photo of the GMS car rthat went to Asia, after it had a paint job there?

Falcadore · 1 Feb 2006, 09:45 (Ref:1513323)

oops - double post

Falcadore · 1 Feb 2006, 09:54 (Ref:1513329)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

There is only one of me.. GTRMagic.. and for that the world is eternally grateful

I dunno, wasn't the first GTR Magic written off by BJR?

Sorry GTR couldn't resist...

Falcadore · 1 Feb 2006, 09:56 (Ref:1513330)

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Originally Posted by Steve Holmes

I was looking at a UK magazine called Performance Ford (or similar) in the shop the other day. There was an article on an all Ford track day at Donington. There were several old Group A Sierras at the meeting, including a Texaco car, and a Rouse Labatts car, as you'd expect, but there were also two DJR Shell Sierras, and a Moffat ANZ car. I didn't realise so many of the Aussie Sierras had ended up over there.

Robb Gravett was sold a DJR Sierra which he used to win his BTCC title.

Falcadore · 1 Feb 2006, 10:04 (Ref:1513334)

Nismo: whats the #12 car in the background?

**GTRMagic** · 1 Feb 2006, 10:26 (Ref:1513343)

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Originally Posted by Falcadore

I dunno, wasn't the first GTR Magic written off by BJR?

Sorry GTR couldn't resist...

Written off is a little misleading.. written about sounds a lot closer... that story is still up on V8supercar too apparently

mixxer · 1 Feb 2006, 12:27 (Ref:1513437)

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whats the #12 car in the background?

Looks like a GT500 Skyline from the JGTC or Super GT http://supergt.net/en/ as its now known

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