TVR Griffiths 200/400 and their Chassis Numbers

[terence]

Thank you,and the same for you.

[morninggents]

Surely the TVR Griffith didn't have such a big bulge/air intake back in the day.

[terence]

Or the flared front arches,but ,hey ho,its got papers.

[imperatore]

Originally Posted by morninggents

Surely the TVR Griffith didn't have such a big bulge/air intake back in the day.

This isn't a particular too expensive! I will cut the bulge and put a net as cover:
thank you for idea!

[imperatore]

Hi everyone,
can someone help me to find a windscreen with seal gasket for my TVR Griffith?
Greetings Claudio

[terence]

OOps

[terence]

Claudio,from memory the front screen is TR4. [Been a while and many other cars through since I last ordered a screen!]
RE the Bonnet,I would look at an alternative to cutting out the top of the bonnet bulge.
The present Bulge is about 10cm too high,you'll get better clip point sighting with it a little lower.

[tvrrich]

All old TVR/ Griffith windscreens from Grantura right up to M series in the 70's are Ford Consul and are still available from David gerald, or tvr specialists like Adrian Venn (exactly TVR) ,Steve reid also, they would be able to supply the rubber aswell

[terence]

Ah,thanks for the memory jog.

[imperatore]

Originally Posted by tvrrich

All old TVR/ Griffith windscreens from Grantura right up to M series in the 70's are Ford Consul and are still available from David gerald, or tvr specialists like Adrian Venn (exactly TVR) ,Steve reid also, they would be able to supply the rubber aswell

Thank you! I've just sent alot of mails!

RE Bulge....I'll think....now my tvr is in garage to do a little "face lifting"!

[terence]

Originally Posted by imperatore

Thank you! I've just sent alot of mails!

RE Bulge....I'll think....now my tvr is in garage to do a little "face lifting"!

With a little alteration,your wheels will fit under a "normal" bonnet.

[imperatore]

Originally Posted by tvrrich

All old TVR/ Griffith windscreens from Grantura right up to M series in the 70's are Ford Consul and are still available from David gerald, or tvr specialists like Adrian Venn (exactly TVR) ,Steve reid also, they would be able to supply the rubber aswell

Thank you very much! I bought the parts from David Gerald, they are just flying to Florence

[Maza1]

Hi !
If my memory serves , The Griffith 400 driven by Karl -Eric Roslund and under Schirle's maintenace was sold to Denmark after it won the championship.. DFV567C was its Licence Plate then. Run in European Tracks , and once in Finland at Ahvenisto Track.
Story goes that Schirle, as once working for TVR Factory , could say a lot about their specifications...


I wish this helps anyone interested in !

[richard tyzack]

Here is another early 200 series for your records, my car is 200/5/058 and is an early Griffith with the Grantura rounded tail.
I have owned this car since the mid 90's and I applied for and got FIA Historic identity forms for it, and competed in many European stage rallies such as the Modena Cento Ore and tour De Espana with some excellent results.
I also raced the car in the Masters series and with the HSCC
I am now tearing my hair out as I am being refused the new FIA HTP papers because the powers that decide these matters say there is no photographic proof or otherwise that a 200 with the rounded rear end competed in period in an International FIA sanctioned event.
can anyone out there help me to prove my case?
My car has standard bodywork, and in no way resembles the modsports lookalikes that are fielded by Nigel Reuben and i am now being penalised for having a standard car, surely this is not fair?

[terence]

Hi Richard,thats what they said before all of the modsport types came onto the scene!I do have that picture and think that it does show a 200 version body.I cant send it at present but think I did post it a while back in this thread.Its a ridiculous situation brought about by just a few.

[John Turner]

Richard, warm welcome and your frustation is completely understandable. I hope that it is resolved favourably for you, and sooner rather than later.

[richard tyzack]

Originally Posted by terence bower

Hi Richard,thats what they said before all of the modsport types came onto the scene!I do have that picture and think that it does show a 200 version body.I cant send it at present but think I did post it a while back in this thread.Its a ridiculous situation brought about by just a few.

That is kind of you to reply and appreciated, if you have some documentary proof or a photo that would be fantastic.
I have had this car inspected twice now by two different RACMSA inspectors and they are both of the opinion that the car is perfectly aceptabe, we have even reverted from the Chris Schirle uprights back to the horrid Herald ones, so If someone out there knows how i can best proceed then please add your weight.

[terence]

Heres the original shot for the Modsports version. As this was taken in 65,and I think it to be a 200,perhaps its enough? Or have you Googled TVR Griffith 200 images? Quite a few race cars to choose from.

[richard tyzack]

I think this was the photo used by Nigel Reuben to produce his wide arch modspot car that is now the only one that is acceptable to the FIA.
I need a rear end shot of a genuine 200, its impossible to say if this is a 200 or a 400 from the front view, but it has got your juices flowing which is a great start Terence, I will try Google but to date accurately and then find proof of an International event may be impossible via Google.

[Heightswitch]

The problem lies in the original griffith homologation document.

The Griffith 400 was never to my knowledge separately homologated over the original 200 model.

The Griffith 200 document unfortunately shows a 400 shape Kamm tail rear end and as such the Fia have now decreed that the only cars acceptable for Fia are either Standard 400 type bodies or the type as shown in the pic above which was the EH Paul owned car.

This picture was taken at an international event and the assumption is that this being the only photo of a car in period at an international event means only this incarnation of the car can run in Fia sanctioned events.

It is a very frustrating state of affairs and unfortunately brought about not because of Nigel but because the Fia have sought to make an example of the Griffs generally which were beating some very expensive machinery.

I believe that in trying to ban the griffith from international historic events the Fia have made the situation far worse for people wanting to run historic cars in the spirit of how they ran in period.

The current shape cars are shaped that way because the Fia could not impose further sanctions against the cars and were threatened with legal action in the event that they did. As such they have dug their heels in and only allowed the shape of which photographic evidence exists. Hence nigel having to submit 3 incarnations of the final design before it was accepted by the Fia as allowable for an Htp car

Allegedly their are other photos in existence which show Griffiths competing in other accepted forms of historic international motorsport, Whether the Fia would accept these as an argument is debatable.

Steve Reid may be able to help you and I can pass on his details if you pm me off line.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKo-_yKGTS4

This link may also help. rafael serratosa who runs a 200, this car may have papers.

Good luck.

N.

[terence]

Quite a few pictures on google have dates on them,then theres always world racing sportscars. Who are the two inspectors? As the photo to which the hotrods sprang,it was only ever 'assumed' to be an international-------because of the Etypes registration number,of which it was assumed to be a car that is running today. The letters not being visible,how could any one tell? As for only being able to turn all Griff's into wide bodied hotrods,just complete and utter stupidity!
On the Google page,there is a shot of OUU 4F,that belongs to a poster on here,now that body is as it was from the factory,I think the owner has HTPs for that car and they were granted very recently.


Just thought of another source of info, World Racing Sports Prototypes. 1965 Guards International [Redex Trophy] Two Griff' 200s, numbers 106 &107 were down to race but not sure if they competed,but al least it shows them to have been in existence.

[Heightswitch]

Originally Posted by terence bower

Quite a few pictures on google have dates on them,then theres always world racing sportscars. Who are the two inspectors? As the photo to which the hotrods sprang,it was only ever 'assumed' to be an international-------because of the Etypes registration number,of which it was assumed to be a car that is running today. The letters not being visible,how could any one tell? As for only being able to turn all Griff's into wide bodied hotrods,just complete and utter stupidity!
On the Google page,there is a shot of OUU 4F,that belongs to a poster on here,now that body is as it was from the factory,I think the owner has HTPs for that car and they were granted very recently.

OUU 4 F isn't a good example Terence. I think this actually started out as a Granny mk3 tailed car but became a 400 in 67. if it has current papers , it will be because it has a 400 kamm tail...again showing how crazy the Fia are being.

I agree though..turning all remaining Griff 200 or 400s into wide arched cars sames a crazy state of affairs!!

[terence]

Thanks for that but all of the documentation shows the car to have always been as it is today.Originally being supplied by a Mr G Marshall of Barnet Motors.

[richard tyzack]

I agree with all of your observations 100%
Nigel did what he was forced to do to prove some provenance with the kamm tailed version and then had to produce some rather ugly bodywork which of course works to good effect.

There are round tail 200's accepted by the FIA that are racing on the Continent, so if I took my car to Belgium or possibly Spain or Portugal it seems that I could obtain papers.

Thanks for the U tube clip ,I know Rafael and have raced with him on the Tour de Espana when he first got his 200, looks a lot faster now!

So, what do I do?

I cannot run on the continent in all the great special stage rallies that come under the FIA umbrella, I can't run with the Masters any more as HTP papers are mandatory, I can, I think, run with the HSCC and that is about it, but one day someone will come out of the woods with some period proof and then I can play again at the level I am accustomed to.
Jeremy H ...if you are out there, what chance do you think I have?

[Heightswitch]

Jason and Louise Kennedy may be looking in and I know they post on here. they have a lovely original bodied Griff 200. I don't know if they have ever bothered with papers for it or not??

Again I think it is just the std bodied grantura type cars with the beetle back rear which have been penalised the most? The std 400 cars are not affected due to the original homologation docs.

Will the masters series not allow you to run with dispensation or is it a fully sanctioned Fia championship??

N.