MSNZ & TMC - 'Wheels start to come off'

[Mr Revhead]

I don't know where the error lies as I don't know the full story. I only know what's posted here.


One thing that has occured to me is where did the time keepers come from? Wouldnt they know the records and what's needed to get them?

[Mr Revhead]

Oh and in the Campbell live piece Eddie says he thought it just went to the highest speed in whichever. Now isn't their a flying 1/4 record?

[flyingduck]

Originally Posted by Mr Revhead

Oh and in the Campbell live piece Eddie says he thought it just went to the highest speed in whichever. Now isn't their a flying 1/4 record?

That's incorrect Rev the 1/4 is a standing start record but I tell you I have always wanted to have a go at a few of the under 3 ltr records as some of them seem pretty low to me. Wonder what it would cost to get the timing crews out.

[Mr Revhead]

It was a question, not a statement. But surprised there isn't a flying 1/4 record

[flyingduck]

The Records before Mr Freeman had his shot.

Flying One Kilometre Sprint
Unlimited cc: O Evans, Porsche 911 GT Le Mans Turbo, 10.343 sec., 348.061 Kph, Goudies Road, Reporoa, 2.6.96.

Unlimited cc (Road Registered): R Williams, Porsche 930, 11.359 sec., 316.929 Kph, Goudies Road, Reporoa, 16.3.96.

FIA Class cc Rating
B 5,000-8,000 R.Williams, Porsche 930, 11.359 sec, 316.929 kph, Goudies Road, Reporoa, 16.3.96
C 3,000-5,000 B.Bellis, Ferrari Daytona, 166.8 mph, South Eyre Road, Canterbury.
D 2,000-3,000 F.Shuter, Maserati 8 CLT, 14.21 secs., 157.40 mph, Christchurch, 21.03.59
E 1,500-2,000 W.York, Ford Telstar TX5, 18.845 sec., 191.032 kph, Ninety Mile beach, 23.04.90.
F 1,100-1,500 P.M.Hoare, Maserati, 15.30 sec.,146.2 mph, Christchurch, 5.10.57
G 750-1,100 D.W.Wild, Lotus, 18.115 sec., 123.5 mph, Christchurch, 5.10.58
H 550-750 W.Mauger, Austin 7 Spl., 29.455 sec., 75.944 mph, Christchurch, June 1956.
I 350-550 R.Campbell, Cooper, 20.725 sec., 107.9 mph, Christchurch, 22.02.58

LPG Powered Vehicles: A.Wilson, Holden Commodore, 226.017 kph, Canal East Road, Waitakaruru, 10.4.94.

Diesel Powered Vehicles: Heather Spurle, Peugeot 306 Diesel Turbo, 191.448 kph (118.894 mph), Canal West Road, Waitakaruru, 3.9.94.

Standing One Kilometre Sprint
Unlimited cc: R.Williams, Porsche 930, 20.688 sec, 174.013 kph, Goudies Road, Reporoa, 16.3.96
B 5,000-8,000 R.Williams, Porsche 930, 20.688 sec, 174.013 kph, Goudies Road, Reporoa, 16.3.96
C 3,000-5,000 M.F.Stanton, Stanton Corvette, 22.32 sec., 100.221 mph, Ashburton, 10.3.62.
D 2,000-3,000 T.E.Clark, Maserati, 24.99 sec., 89.5 mph, Hamilton, 1953
E 1,500-2,000 E.J.Norris, 120 EN.Spl., 28.17 sec., 79.4083 mph, Ashburton, 10.03.62.
F 1,100-1,500 P.M.Hoare, Maserati, 26.19 sec., 85.4 mph, Christchurch, June 1956.
G 750-1,100 E.M.Watt, Dyna 4 Special, 34.62 sec., 64.614 mph, Auckland, 19.11.60.
H 550-750 W.H.Miller, Fiat 600, 49.505 sec., 45.1859 mph, Ashburton, 28.03.64.
I 350-550 R.Campbell, Cooper 500, 30.045 sec., 74.5 mph, Christchurch, 22.02.58.

Standing Start Quarter-Mile Sprint
B 5,000-8,000 M.F.Stanton, Stanton Special, 12.42 sec., 72.4637 mph, Christchurch, 4.10.58.
C 3,000-5,000 M.F.Stanton, Stanton Corvette, 11.865 sec., 75.8533 mph, Christchurch, 13.05.62.
D 2,000-3,000 R.S.Rutherford, Zephyr Sppl., 14.015 sec., 64.2169 mph, Christchurch, 13.05.62.
G 750-1,100 L.T.J.Bryant, Cooper Vincent, 15.355 sec., 58.613 mph, Ashburton, 3.04.65.
H 550-750 J.D.Lovell, Lloyd Special, 17.785 sec., 50.6044 mph, Christchurch, 13.05.62.

Flying One Mile Sprint
Unlimited cc: O Evans, Porsche 911 GT Le Mans Turbo, 16.637 sec., 216.385mph, Goudies Road, Reporoa, 2.6.96.

Unlimited cc (Road Registered): R.Williams, Porsche 930, 18.300 sec, 196.721mph, Goudies Road, Reporoa, 16.3.96

FIA Class cc Rating
B 5,000-8,000 R.Williams, Porsche 930, 18.300 sec, 196.721mph, Goudies Road, Reporoa, 16.3.96
E 1,100-1,500 Heather Spurle, Peugeot 106 Club Sport, 116.354 mph, Canal West Road, Waitakaruru, 3.9.94.

LPG Powered Vehicles: A.Wilson, Holden Commodore, 138.461mph, Canal East Road, Waitakaruru, 10.4.94.

Diesel Powered Vehicles: Bill Ritchie, Citroen BXTZD Turbo, 106.714 mph, Canal East Road, Waitakaruru, 10.4.94.
Heather Spurle, Peugeot 306 Diesel Turbo, 118.894 mph, Canal West Road, Waitakaruru, 3.9.94.

Standing Start One Mile Sprint
Unlimited cc: R.Williams, Porsche 930, 28.484 sec., 126.386 mph, Goudies Road, Reporoa, 16.3.96
B 5,000-8,000 R.Williams, Porsche 930, 28.484 sec., 126.386 mph, Goudies Road, Reporoa, 16.3.96
E 1,500-2,000 W.York, Ford Telstar TX5, 45.170 sec., 79.698 mph, Ninety Mile beach, 23.04.90.

[flyingduck]

And of course

Special Events
Reverse Driving
D.Diggleman, Nissan Bluebird, 466 km in reverse in 10 hrs. 58 mins., Bay Park, 18.04.83

[on_to_it]

Originally Posted by Mr Revhead

Oh and in the Campbell live piece Eddie says he thought it just went to the highest speed in whichever. Now isn't their a flying 1/4 record?

I don't know whether Eddie assumed that or was poorly advised by MSNZ.
If it were me planning to invest a substantial amount of time, energy and money putting the attempt together, not to mention risking my life, I'd want an iron-clad written confirmation as to which title I could lay claim to if successful.

That's for damned sure!

[Evomike]

Ive been told there is an email from MSNZ......maybe thats why they have all of a sudden decided to find a trophy......trying to avoid more legal action?

[Axeman444]

shouldn't the Clerk of Course know what distance the record is over, and checked said distance on the ground, and subsequently have told the contenders of any error before kickoff?

If the distance wasn't covered, he should of mentioned it at the time, before any announcement was made to media?

[promax]

Originally Posted by Mr Revhead

Oh and in the Campbell live piece Eddie says he thought it just went to the highest speed in whichever. Now isn't their a flying 1/4 record?

someone may want to dig up the Campbell Live interview before the Freeman's attempt. i remember Owen questioning the cage in the lambo. i'm almost positive that he also didn't think there was a suitable runway in NZ to break his record.

[Goat Boy]

Originally Posted by promax

someone may want to dig up the Campbell Live interview before the Freeman's attempt. i remember Owen questioning the cage in the lambo. i'm almost positive that he also didn't think there was a suitable runway in NZ to break his record.

All due respect (and lots of it) to Owen, but the Lambo smashed the record in a shorter distance (wonder what it would have got to if it did have a mile), so it seems silly that he doesn't qualify for some sort of trophy like that.

What happened to Owen's 911 Le Mans after he crashed it? Was it ever rebuilt?

Should we start a new thread?

[Blackpearl]

Originally Posted by Goat Boy

All due respect (and lots of it) to Owen, but the Lambo smashed the record in a shorter distance (wonder what it would have got to if it did have a mile), so it seems silly that he doesn't qualify for some sort of trophy like that.

What happened to Owen's 911 Le Mans after he crashed it? Was it ever rebuilt?

Should we start a new thread?

the car is or was at southwards car museum in the crashed state.

[Jerico]

Originally Posted by Goat Boy

All due respect (and lots of it) to Owen, but the Lambo smashed the record in a shorter distance (wonder what it would have got to if it did have a mile), so it seems silly that he doesn't qualify for some sort of trophy like that.

What happened to Owen's 911 Le Mans after he crashed it? Was it ever rebuilt?

Should we start a new thread?

One was done on a country road the other on a wide flat runway. If I can remember rightly, Owen tyre let go at just under 380k and the car was still accelerating hard at the time. They had upped the hp for that last run. I don't think we can really compare the two. Lets see the Lambo go for the mile.

[promax]

Originally Posted by Goat Boy

All due respect (and lots of it) to Owen, but the Lambo smashed the record in a shorter distance (wonder what it would have got to if it did have a mile), so it seems silly that he doesn't qualify for some sort of trophy like that.

What happened to Owen's 911 Le Mans after he crashed it? Was it ever rebuilt?

Should we start a new thread?

Owen would've went quicker on a wide, flat runway too. length was issues.. which was why Goudies Road chosen for an attempt at Ray's old record.

[promax]

Originally Posted by Jerico

One was done on a country road the other on a wide flat runway. If I can remember rightly, Owen tyre let go at just under 380k and the car was still accelerating hard at the time. They had upped the hp for that last run. I don't think we can really compare the two. Lets see the Lambo go for the mile.

you need a major set of balls to try for a land speed record on a narrow, bumpy, country road! much respect!

[DX20VT]

Originally Posted by flyingduck

That's incorrect Rev the 1/4 is a standing start record but I tell you I have always wanted to have a go at a few of the under 3 ltr records as some of them seem pretty low to me. Wonder what it would cost to get the timing crews out.

Actually you would be kind of wrong there
as there is standing and flying records for both distances,
so there is a flying 1/4 mile record.


Looking at some of the standing 1/4 records they look like they should be pretty easy to beat?
must be more to the story there??

[Goat Boy]

Originally Posted by Jerico

One was done on a country road the other on a wide flat runway. If I can remember rightly, Owen tyre let go at just under 380k and the car was still accelerating hard at the time. They had upped the hp for that last run. I don't think we can really compare the two. Lets see the Lambo go for the mile.

Well I always loved that Porsche, sad that it has never been fixed. We need a Bonneville Salt Flats over here, or someone should extend one of the runways to be 3km long!!

I think you have to be slightly mad to attempt any land speed record, especially where you might hit something!

That said, the 2 litre one set by the bloke in his TX5 Telstar should be easy to beat in almost any car these days!

[Chappelli]

Auckland International Airport is 3.6k, Christchurch Airport is 3.2k...

[Goat Boy]

Originally Posted by Chappelli

Auckland International Airport is 3.6k, Christchurch Airport is 3.2k...

How long is Ohakea? Would it actually be possible to do it at Auckland? I guess you need quite a bit of space to get up to speed and then a bit to slow down - actually I think that is one area where they could make it safer in the Lambo, deploy a dragster style chute to aid braking, seemed to me he only just slowed down in time with conventional brakes. Dragsters slow down pretty quick from 330mph though!

[MacrosNZ]

Originally Posted by Goat Boy

How long is Ohakea?

2,445m
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNZAF_Base_Ohakea

[Goat Boy]

Originally Posted by MacrosNZ

2,445m
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNZAF_Base_Ohakea

Sorry, lazy of me I should have looked it up.

So with another 1.2km of runway and a dragster chute it should be possible to break that speed record then and possibly take the flying mile too... if you don't get hit by an A380 in the process!

Question: Does the record for the flying mile or km mean that it takes your average speed across each km from both runs? If so what was the peak that the Lambo got up to? And Owen's car for that matter?

[Southern Man]

Originally Posted by Goat Boy

Question: Does the record for the flying mile or km mean that it takes your average speed across each km from both runs?

If the timing equipment is set to measure the time tken over both distances in the one run it can be done. Remember for a record you have to do the speeds over the same section of road in both directions too.

[Chappelli]

Is it just me or does it not seem a little odd that in two years of preparation the "Gee Wiz, it used to be a mile, when did it change to a km" conversation wasn't had? Surely you'd be trying to gleam as much info off previous record holders as possible.... like "why did you do it on a road rather than a runway"?

And if you did believe the speed for the "Land Speed Record" was more important than the distance covered, wouldn't your first question be how short a distance you can do it over? The flying 100m anyone?

[racehard]

Originally Posted by Chappelli

Is it just me or does it not seem a little odd that in two years of preparation the "Gee Wiz, it used to be a mile, when did it change to a km" conversation wasn't had? Surely you'd be trying to gleam as much info off previous record holders as possible.... like "why did you do it on a road rather than a runway"?

And if you did believe the speed for the "Land Speed Record" was more important than the distance covered, wouldn't your first question be how short a distance you can do it over? The flying 100m anyone?

If I recall over the many years I have seen this attempted, Eddie is the only person to get it wrong; don't believe you can blame all on the msnz muppets......how did the others work it out ??? a runway would be the 1st place to think about for an atempt until you found out it was to short for the mile....most m/sport people know a drag strip is quarter mile and the land speed record is a mile !!!!!!!

[RogerH]

Originally Posted by Chappelli

Is it just me or does it not seem a little odd that in two years of preparation the "Gee Wiz, it used to be a mile, when did it change to a km" conversation wasn't had?

I'm not too sure this is correct. If you look at this link on land speed records http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_speed_record you will find that the majority are taken over 1km. Some are over both 1km and 1 mile but the era of the Bluebird etc seem to only be over 1km. It definitely looks like the 1km distance is the more common option.