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18 Jan 2022, 11:57 (Ref:4094254) | #8826 | ||
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Its interesting you mention this. After years of admiring Andre in sportscars, i was somewhat dissapointed with his driving in Formula E, im not sure why theres been such a shift in his driving
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18 Jan 2022, 13:00 (Ref:4094264) | #8828 | |
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In my opinion to drive a lmp car is way easier and more enjoyable for top pro drivers than drive a GT
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never driven either, so i couldn’t possibly comment or pretend to know.
but if one’s easier to drive it means you have to be millimetre perfect to be quicker. which is harder to do. swings and roundabouts… |
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18 Jan 2022, 18:51 (Ref:4094312) | #8830 | ||
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What about Harry Tincknell? He is under contract by Multimatic, maybe involved in the development of the Porsche and Audi Multimatic chassis?
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With Pascal Zurlinden onboarding Multimatic at the same time I get some Porsche-contracts-and-later-takes-over-Manthey-vibes, but for prototypes this time. |
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19 Jan 2022, 23:23 (Ref:4094483) | #8832 | |
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I’ve read in a few places Campbell and Jaminet have seats for LMDH
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19 Jan 2022, 23:42 (Ref:4094490) | #8833 | |
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Tincknell is multimatic factory driver and is managed by mcnish... if mcnish has still some active role in audi sport managment I think he could push tincknell to audi WEC program
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27 Jan 2022, 08:13 (Ref:4095477) | #8834 | ||
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A couple more pics of the car and confirmation of the engine configuration which is no real surprise.
https://www.dailysportscar.com/2022/...l-testing.html |
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27 Jan 2022, 09:10 (Ref:4095484) | #8835 | |
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"by a production-based twin turbo V8 of as-yet unrevealed capacity"
what's the deal to keep secret displacement when it will be one of first things reported in bop bulletins... Last edited by canaglia; 27 Jan 2022 at 09:38. |
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27 Jan 2022, 10:49 (Ref:4095504) | #8836 | ||
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Releasing information slowly means getting more write ups in the media
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27 Jan 2022, 11:17 (Ref:4095510) | #8837 | ||
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So basically, the Porsche, Audi, and future Lamborghini cars will essentially be the same car, using the same engine unit for all three brands. Fun....
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27 Jan 2022, 11:31 (Ref:4095516) | #8838 | ||
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Funny side of the matter is that V8 powering porsche lmdh should be a derivated unit of late '90s VW old V8, which production and FSI/turbo integration was up to audi for decades until few years ago when production of this V8 was tasked to porsche that used the platform for panamera, cayenne and lamborghini urus engines. Everything in family. |
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27 Jan 2022, 13:25 (Ref:4095522) | #8842 | ||
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Which is why I've been a much bigger fan of LMH from the beginning; really nothing interesting about seeing kit cars race, versus the diversity we'll see with the LMH cars
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27 Jan 2022, 21:05 (Ref:4095588) | #8843 | ||
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And yet LMDH cars outnumber LMH cars by two to one. Not to mention that VAG are doing a less elaborate version of what Audi Sport used to do with their LMP cars, which is get a proprietary/quasi-proprietary design, have someone else build the chassis under license, and there you go. Big difference is that the Mulitimatic chassis will be used by 2-3 makes instead of just one and in theory should have a LMP2 version in a couple of years.
Not to mention that the much cherished Lola-Aston Martin was just a bone stock Lola LMP1 chassis with an AMR engine and gearbox shoe-horned into it and given proprietary bodywork. And the ganishing of teeth over the Toyota GR010 looking like an overgrown LMP1. |
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27 Jan 2022, 23:14 (Ref:4095598) | #8844 | |
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Yeah always said that lola-aston in its concept was the first dpi ante litteram.
Anyway guess there is a little difference, audi lmp1 cars were designed by audi sport and third parties like dallara and ycom were hired only to produce carbon tubs probably because audi hadn't knowledge and tools to produce composite parts since audi never made road carbon tub cars. Porsche lmdh is different because multimatic probably did most of design of the car, as they already did with ford gt, both race and road car. Audi and probably lamborghini will get their more or less bodywork customized cars just to let VW promoting their brands for "cheap". Anyway I always have my concerns about 2023/2024 WEC performances... LMH and lmdh are cars that should be equally heavy and equally aero efficient, but LMH are AWD and have 700hp all the time, lmdh RWD and 640hp + short ERS boost releases. |
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28 Jan 2022, 02:02 (Ref:4095615) | #8845 | ||
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An important distinction is that Lola-Aston had an Aston V12 and nothing else did. The Bentley Speed 8 had its distinct chassis.
Meanwhile the VW triplets are set to share everything and will only differ in styling cues. To boot, they're powered by an SUV-sourced engine, that being TT V8 – the most common and most boring-sounding configuration imaginable, or second most boring after i4 turbo. Honestly, if someone said, you can have these 3 VW brands in LMDh or just the Porsche LMH powered by a flat-6 (still with customer cars), I'd pick the latter, rather than pretending that it matters which set of stickers wins the race. Last edited by Pandamasque; 28 Jan 2022 at 02:08. |
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Flat 6 was never going to be the option so wishing for it wouldn't get you anywhere. Your options were this or Porsche in Formula E only, that's it.
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28 Jan 2022, 16:59 (Ref:4095721) | #8848 | |
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a flat6 is basically a 180 degrees V engine, I think it's almost impossible to fit one in a lmp-style prototype without big reworking of rear subframes and as consequence suspensions etc... Not to mention that to reach >600hp would be required a turbo flat6 making everything more unrealistic. As far I remember, last prototype using a flat6 was flying lizard riley DP back in 2011
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There's a bit more to it than that. Flat engines have a lower centre of mass, resulting in better balance and handling than V engines. Also there is less vibration. |
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Sure, flat engines have lower centre of mass because their block have a shorter height and most of parts are distributed horizontally rather than vertically as V layout engines. Biggest problem is that flat engines are insanely wide which is a big handicap considering racing engines aim to be as more compact as possible. Flat/Boxer/V180^ engines have almost disappeared from street cars, are used in porsche and subaru mainly as a heritage trademark than else. Funny side of the matter is that everyone usually relates flat engines to porsche, when flat engines were actually commonly used by ferrari as well. |
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