General Sportscar Chat thread

[tux]

Seems that the FIA Motorsport games GT races were not as equal as it seems. Juncadella and the Spanish motorsport federation were NOT impressed with their Mercedes GT3 car provided by Antonelli Motorsport

[RL17]

Given it’s Endurance racing the WEC tv stream positions info is not the easiest to follow when dropping in and out of coverage. Is this ACO or FIA or Eurosport controlled?

Seems to focus on Overall too 20 and alternates to LMP2 top 20 for ages (which up to now is pretty much the same). Then have very brief periods of Pro and Am - sometimes when adverts happen for me watching non-LeMans events. You then have to result in focusing on the ticker stream for some info (which also stops for replays and obviously adverts) or use a phone app if watching live.

The lights system looks good at night but for the other 50 plus cars (and some liveries in daylight) it’s not good. If Blancpain could have all position numbers in screens 4 or 5 years ago - surely it could be better and help get and keep more viewers etc. Maybe top 5 or 10 in each class?

[Simmi]

Originally Posted by RL17

Given it’s Endurance racing the WEC tv stream positions info is not the easiest to follow when dropping in and out of coverage. Is this ACO or FIA or Eurosport controlled?

Seems to focus on Overall too 20 and alternates to LMP2 top 20 for ages (which up to now is pretty much the same). Then have very brief periods of Pro and Am - sometimes when adverts happen for me watching non-LeMans events. You then have to result in focusing on the ticker stream for some info (which also stops for replays and obviously adverts) or use a phone app if watching live.

The lights system looks good at night but for the other 50 plus cars (and some liveries in daylight) it’s not good. If Blancpain could have all position numbers in screens 4 or 5 years ago - surely it could be better and help get and keep more viewers etc. Maybe top 5 or 10 in each class?

It's an ACO product so graphics are on them. I feel like the WEC stuff is getting a bit better. Maybe a quicker rotation through the classes is called for. Feels like a lot of the time you need to know the car numbers - but they do switch in the team names. I think they're conscious about trying to keep the screen/viewing experience clean and focus on the action (no solid colour panels like IMSA/Blancpain).

It's swings and roundabouts really - in the WEC they don't show the time gaps constantly like in IMSA, but when you do see a battle I feel like they give you far more info and context into what's happening than IMSA (which gives you nothing).

Ultimately when you're watching live there's no substitute for having a good T&S on a second screen. At the race track that also applies if you really want to zone into the battles once pitstops begin. I don't really find any of the external lighting stuff that helpful to be honest.

[joeb]

DSC had a fun 3-part series on "near" gt3 cars that have competed with GT3 over the years. Lots of cars I forgot about or didn't even know existed!

https://www.dailysportscar.com/2022/...on-part-1.html

[RL17]

Originally Posted by joeb

DSC had a fun 3-part series on "near" gt3 cars that have competed with GT3 over the years. Lots of cars I forgot about or didn't even know existed!

https://www.dailysportscar.com/2022/...on-part-1.html

Thanks. Not seen many of those.

There were however, 3 Vulcans at 2018 support race. Think they forgot Peter Dumbreck and Chris Harris in the AMR prepared one. Beat all apart from the brand new Vantage GT3 which was unrestricted and assume unhomologated then.

[v8supes]

Have any of you ever seen this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dauer_962_Le_Mans

Dauer 962 Le Mans

It looks PHENOMENAL

[Adam43]

I saw it win I liked it, even if it was taking the ….

[GT3_Fan]

Originally Posted by v8supes

Have any of you ever seen this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dauer_962_Le_Mans

Dauer 962 Le Mans

It looks PHENOMENAL

This car was at the vintage race car display at the fan zone in Daytona this year. I was amazed at how big of a car it was.

[Aysedasi]

Originally Posted by Adam43

I saw it win I liked it, even if it was taking the ….

It totally was. I've always called it 'The Imposter GT'..... It should never have been permitted, even the ACO realised that, closing the loophole afterwards. It was a sad Le Mans, we were all rooting for the 'Ratzenberger' Toyota to win.

Originally Posted by GT3_Fan

This car was at the vintage race car display at the fan zone in Daytona this year. I was amazed at how big of a car it was.

Because it was effectively a prototype, allowed to run as a GT.

[joeb]

Originally Posted by Aysedasi

It totally was. I've always called it 'The Imposter GT'..... It should never have been permitted, even the ACO realised that, closing the loophole afterwards. It was a sad Le Mans, we were all rooting for the 'Ratzenberger' Toyota to win.



Because it was effectively a prototype, allowed to run as a GT.

Well it was clearly a road car....

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/t...ds-178177.html

[broadrun96]

And blast from the past bringing up the 80s and 90s favorite car collector, Sultan of Brunei owned somewhere around 50% of production. Claimed 5, claimed to build I've seen 10-15 including 3 race chassis

There's a guy in HSR that runs one of the scale reproductions of it with a bike engine, much cheaper than a real one

[Aysedasi]

[QUOTE=joeb;4194383]Well it was clearly a road car....

Yeah, clearly....

[GT3_Fan]

Originally Posted by broadrun96

And blast from the past bringing up the 80s and 90s favorite car collector, Sultan of Brunei owned somewhere around 50% of production. Claimed 5, claimed to build I've seen 10-15 including 3 race chassis

There's a guy in HSR that runs one of the scale reproductions of it with a bike engine, much cheaper than a real one

My favorite sportscar race cars from the 1990s: Nissan 300 ZX (1994 Daytona, Sebring winner), Panoz GTR1, Porsche GT1 (96-97 version), McLaren (1995 Le Mans winner).

Favorites from 2000s: Corvette C5R, Corvette C6R, Oreca Dodge Viper (red/white stripes), Porsche 911 RSR (think Racers group 2003, AJR, Flying Lizard cars), Saleen S7

[S griffin]

The McLaren in Gulf colours certainly was hard to beat. Also liked the white Porsche with little bits of red and blue added in. Had a model of that once

[stuart thompson]

Originally Posted by S griffin

The McLaren in Gulf colours certainly was hard to beat. Also liked the white Porsche with little bits of red and blue added in. Had a model of that once

Brumos?

[DistortedSmile]

Originally Posted by Aysedasi

It totally was. I've always called it 'The Imposter GT'..... It should never have been permitted, even the ACO realised that, closing the loophole afterwards.

I don't think think they actually realised anything considering they ended up letting in more prototypes disguised as GT cars later in the decade

[J Jay]

Originally Posted by DistortedSmile

I don't think think they actually realised anything considering they ended up letting in more prototypes disguised as GT cars later in the decade

This is easily explained. The ACO were more observant than ever and on the lookout for even the smallest sign of loophole abuse, but the manufacturers provided special glasses* for the ACO tech inspectors, which clearly demonstrated that they really were true GT cars.


*with banknotes for lenses

[Aysedasi]

Originally Posted by DistortedSmile

I don't think think they actually realised anything considering they ended up letting in more prototypes disguised as GT cars later in the decade

Yeah, but the playing field had changed considerably by then and it was several manufacturers playing on that field, not one exploiting a loophole.

[GT3_Fan]

Ha maybe we need the sportscar veteran criminal thread. Fritz has been charged now.
https://sportscar365.com/imsa/iwsc/v...investigation/


Our distinguished list does not stop getting bigger over the years.

Whittington Brothers
John Paul Sr
Randy Lanier
Scott Tucker
Daniel Uckerman
Michael Avenatti
Fritz Von Erd

Others?

[airbusA346]

Originally Posted by GT3_Fan

Ha maybe we need the sportscar veteran criminal thread. Fritz has been charged now.
https://sportscar365.com/imsa/iwsc/v...investigation/


Our distinguished list does not stop getting bigger over the years.

Whittington Brothers
John Paul Sr
Randy Lanier
Scott Tucker
Daniel Uckerman
Michael Avenatti
Fritz Von Erd

Others?

Gregory Loles

[broadrun96]

Jon Field a couple times I think

Easier to list the flash in the pan teams and drivers who weren't using shady money than not

[Samoan Attorney]

Originally Posted by GT3_Fan

Ha maybe we need the sportscar veteran criminal thread. Fritz has been charged now.
https://sportscar365.com/imsa/iwsc/v...investigation/


Our distinguished list does not stop getting bigger over the years.

Whittington Brothers
John Paul Sr
Randy Lanier
Scott Tucker
Daniel Uckerman
Michael Avenatti
Fritz Von Erd

Others?

With all due respect, the others have been convicted, Van Eerd has only been charged.....presumption of innocence and all that stuff...

Others connected with endurance racing include Stefan Eriksson, Rohan Skea, and James Munro to name a few off the top my head, a better source of reference on this topic comes with Crispin Besley's book that was recently published....

https://www.evropublishing.com/colle...n-motor-racing

[GT3_Fan]

Are there any sportscar racing series anywhere globally running races this weekend? (may 24-26, 2024)

[Truckosaurus]

I think everyone is taking a weekend off before the madness of the Nurburgring, Le Mans and Spa 24 hours events all taking place in June.

[Akrapovic]

Originally Posted by GT3_Fan

Are there any sportscar racing series anywhere globally running races this weekend? (may 24-26, 2024)

At the very least there is British GT, International GT Open, and DTM - as well as their supports.