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Penalties during races are applied as per the MSA Blue Book *or* series regulations - SRs take precedence, more often than not. Penalties can be referred by the clerk to the stewards, who sit elsewhere and don't have all the radio chitchat to listen to. Teams/drivers can challenge a decision direct to the clerk, or ask for referral and can then further appeal to the stewards (for which a fee is levied). They can also appeal to the MSA national court - and stewards can refer serious cases to the court too. I've no idea what's been going on with TCR UK in race control, but the rapid u-turns on some penalties strike me as rather unusual. The only reason, in my limited experience, is that evidence surfaces (from us lot trackside or from CCTV or in car footage) that contradicts or clarifies something reported earlier. Unfortunately right now I can't find a list of judgements/adjustments for TCR UK. What's been the common thing for time penalties, track limits, pit lane speed, contact or something eise? |
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6 Aug 2018, 16:44 (Ref:3841879) | #952 | ||
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The series is wasting its potential with such inconsistencies and disorganisation
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6 Aug 2018, 21:35 (Ref:3841951) | #953 | ||
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Organised chaos I think; it all seems very poor.
Whether Ash Sutton expected to blitz the weekend I don't know, but once again he's shown he's a massive talent. I can see him in DTM, Aussie Supercars, WEC... his talent is way bigger than BTCC. |
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7 Aug 2018, 00:13 (Ref:3841970) | #954 | ||
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Perhaps there's not enough manpower, or a position in the hierarchy at these kinds of race meetings to have someone sit and watch the live stream and be able to see the incidents as they happen, to detirmine a breach and which penalty to apply to it? |
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7 Aug 2018, 08:50 (Ref:3842022) | #955 | |
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I hope Walkinshaw Andretti United Autosport Boost Mobile Mobil 1 HSV Racing Team Motorsport give him an enduro drive for 2019 – provided no date clashes – or ditch Courtney altogether.
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7 Aug 2018, 11:32 (Ref:3842060) | #956 | ||
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I can't offer a judgement - it wouldn't be appropriate, really, as I've not been involved - but it does appear that running a club series with aspirations of something bigger brings with it money, and money brings big teams, and big teams bring people who aren't willing to shrug and take it like happens in club racing. Perhaps there are just more challenges to penalties in TCR UK as a result, and the small grids mean they're more significant? Having spent rather a lot of time calling track limits at club, national & international level this last few years I can well understand the frustration (on all parts) when a penalty is levied and then rescinded. Happily my calls don't get trodden on very often! For reference I made almost 650 calls over the Blancpain GT weekend at Silverstone but there were quite a number of competitors who got drive-throughs as a result... |
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At the Silverstone round I don't remember many cars being within track limits at Copse, so you'd probably have had to send them all to the back which defeats the point somewhat.
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7 Aug 2018, 16:43 (Ref:3842146) | #960 | |
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It's not just track limit penalties that are being changed. Lets not forget the chaos at Knockhill when the poor marshals were left to re-position the entire grid following a last second reversal of a qualifying penalty.
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29 Aug 2018, 18:08 (Ref:3846935) | #961 | ||
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Dan Lloyd quite open at the moment about being close to, but not having, budget to run at Croft.
Would be a real shame if he missed out on the title - he has walked this, with the exception of Ash Sutton beating everyone at Oulton. |
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29 Aug 2018, 22:38 (Ref:3846986) | #962 | ||
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Maximum are advertising a TCR UK drive in a Leon (Lines' pictured) for Croft, so I guess it's safe to assume Stewart won't be driving there. Heavy damage for Swift and Gilmour might see those guys sat out too. Wilson too if he hasn't sorted the parts supply issue which kept him out of Oulton.
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30 Aug 2018, 08:29 (Ref:3847025) | #964 | |
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Perhaps the parts will become available if the money is there to buy them?
Mr Swift's car was apparently not heavily damaged, whilst the Alfa was all but written off. |
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30 Aug 2018, 13:28 (Ref:3847063) | #966 | |
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So how many cars can we realistically expect in the next round?
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30 Aug 2018, 15:24 (Ref:3847075) | #967 | ||
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I think we're in single figure territory here; I'm assuming Dan Lloyd is present (he is very actively working on it!) but the other two West Coast cars are not going to be.
Stewart Lines car won't be unless someone has budget. One of the Alfas is in need of mega money apparently and unlikely to be ready anyway even if a wheelbarrow full of cash is coming over the horizon. BMR are gone for this year (maybe back next?) 9??? |
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30 Aug 2018, 23:19 (Ref:3847156) | #968 | |
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Another Cupra is said to be entering the championship this season, according to chat on social media.
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3 Sep 2018, 00:11 (Ref:3847768) | #970 | |
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So that makes two potentially additional cars.
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3 Sep 2018, 10:47 (Ref:3847860) | #971 | ||
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was chatting to derek palmer snr at btcc (was unloading his baby the supertourer primera), the cars are owned by alfa romeo and are incredibly fragile, they make the GPRM suspension parts on a ngtc car look tough also the only place that can do engine work is italy. he is regretting getting involved due to the spiralling costs and pathetic reliability
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3 Sep 2018, 13:47 (Ref:3847908) | #972 | ||
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They're way underdeveloped compared to say the VAG Group TCR cars; they are poor across all TCR series I know of.
Considering the idea of the TCR Alfas was to promote the Alfa brand to help shift their new model road cars these things unfortunately bring back all the cliches! The road going Giulietta isn't bad at all reliability wise. |
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3 Sep 2018, 15:37 (Ref:3847917) | #973 | |
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The big difference is the VAG group cars are done in house and have a big engineering division behind then (SEAT Sport). The Alfa stuff is done by Romeo ferraris (a tuning company who happen to race) and development was/is on a shoe string
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Maybe Sauber need to get involved? (joke).
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4 Sep 2018, 00:09 (Ref:3848006) | #975 | |
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Only have to look at Vukovic and the Renault to see that Hyundai, VAG or Honda are the better choice.
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