British GT 2017

[billy bleach]

Originally Posted by pimmy

That's a rather silly comment, considering that the Lambo has been the best car since the middle of last season.

Let's see what wins the Championship and how the BOP goes .....again

[tux]

Interesting to see what happens regarding the SC driver waving Griffin through to gift him a 30 second + lead on the restart.

[Akrapovic]

SRO can't steward races at all. That's two weeks in a row they've completely ballsed it up.

[AndrewCherry]

They've apparently decided they wrongly gained a 26s advantage, and have adjusted the result, putting them second.

That seems pretty much entirely arbitrary. I've seen a few terrible GT stewarding decisions around safety cars over the last couple of years. That's yet another one.

[Akrapovic]

So they gave them a free 30 second gap, and then when the Ferrari slowed down to cruise to the win, they gave them a penalty that puts them behind the restart position? That's mental.

[joeb]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

SRO can't steward races at all. That's two weeks in a row they've completely ballsed it up.

There seemed to be a bit of that going and this weekend in gt racing.

[tux]

Its all very bizarre, even the post race report confuses things further.

[AndrewCherry]

Having read the post race report, it seems like madness. The crux of the matter seems to be applying the 5 second penalty while the race is going on, something which I don't remember seeing in the past. Pretty much every series which runs a retrospective time penalty applies it at the end of the race, which would have made this situation trivial. You're leading on track = you're the leader, but not necessarily the winner once penalties have been applied.

The matter of contact between the Ferrari and Bentley seems to have been created/inflated post-hoc to provide justification here - nobody seemed to be complaining about it during the race - the Bentley crew never mentioned it in interviews that I saw. From the perspective of the Ferrari crew, they've been penalised for obeying the clerks orders - a ridiculous state of affairs, and something which, if it happened to me while racing, would cause some seriously heated discussion.

They need to fix this scenario so it can't happen again, while also making sure that they have sufficient discretion (which I think they probably do anyway, but fluffed it) to deal with future situations where the letter of the law would lead to an absurdity.

[PeterY]

Originally Posted by AndrewCherry

Having read the post race report, it seems like madness. The crux of the matter seems to be applying the 5 second penalty while the race is going on, something which I don't remember seeing in the past. Pretty much every series which runs a retrospective time penalty applies it at the end of the race, which would have made this situation trivial. You're leading on track = you're the leader, but not necessarily the winner once penalties have been applied.

The matter of contact between the Ferrari and Bentley seems to have been created/inflated post-hoc to provide justification here - nobody seemed to be complaining about it during the race - the Bentley crew never mentioned it in interviews that I saw. From the perspective of the Ferrari crew, they've been penalised for obeying the clerks orders - a ridiculous state of affairs, and something which, if it happened to me while racing, would cause some seriously heated discussion.

They need to fix this scenario so it can't happen again, while also making sure that they have sufficient discretion (which I think they probably do anyway, but fluffed it) to deal with future situations where the letter of the law would lead to an absurdity.

The contact between the Ferrari and the Bentley was being looked into as I know that the team manager of the Bentley team was already up at the CoC argueing about the contact while the safety car was out.

[Akrapovic]

I watched the race and couldn't see the contact. Is there a video of it? And it just happened to be a penalty that puts it less than a second behind the leader? It's all very messed up and not fair for anyone in any way.

[AndrewCherry]

Interesting. It would be interesting to see it, i've gone back through the broadcast but don't think it was shown. Still, a very odd situation. CoC and stewards in general have a really tough job at times, and as someone that races things, they'll always have my respect - but sometimes, like this, things really do look poor from the perspective of the casual observer.

[dwh43scale]

Galleries from Rockingham here ...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/dwh38/albums

[tux]

After watching the highlights im surprised that they didn't show the contact, afterall the Ferrari had an onboard camera which the tv production made use of.

[billy bleach]

Originally Posted by AndrewCherry

Having read the post race report, it seems like madness. The crux of the matter seems to be applying the 5 second penalty while the race is going on, something which I don't remember seeing in the past. Pretty much every series which runs a retrospective time penalty applies it at the end of the race, which would have made this situation trivial. You're leading on track = you're the leader, but not necessarily the winner once penalties have been applied.

The matter of contact between the Ferrari and Bentley seems to have been created/inflated post-hoc to provide justification here - nobody seemed to be complaining about it during the race - the Bentley crew never mentioned it in interviews that I saw. From the perspective of the Ferrari crew, they've been penalised for obeying the clerks orders - a ridiculous state of affairs, and something which, if it happened to me while racing, would cause some seriously heated discussion.

They need to fix this scenario so it can't happen again, while also making sure that they have sufficient discretion (which I think they probably do anyway, but fluffed it) to deal with future situations where the letter of the law would lead to an absurdity.

Si why didn't they appeal to the stewards? Imagine the scene Steward to driver " Did you obey the order of an official?" Driver "yes" Steward to race director " Did you issue the order?" Race director " Yes" Appeal upheld...... how could it be anything else?

[tux]

Another win for Minshaw and Keen. What happened to the Ginetta GT3s?

[Speed-King]

Originally Posted by tux

Another win for Minshaw and Keen. What happened to the Ginetta GT3s?

American pay drivers pulling out of the programme.

[billy bleach]

Originally Posted by tux

Another win for Minshaw and Keen. What happened to the Ginetta GT3s?

It would seem AMR 's BOP domination is on the back burner after all these years! Nice to see another car getting the BOP rub of the green for a change

[billy bleach]

Originally Posted by tux

Another win for Minshaw and Keen. What happened to the Ginetta GT3s?

It would seem AMR 's cheque hasn't cleared this year!!!

[billy bleach]

Sat in the sun at bombhole did the safety car deployment go to plan?! What a nice change!!!

[Alfaholic]

Originally Posted by billy bleach

Sat in the sun at bombhole did the safety car deployment go to plan?! What a nice change!!!

Was somewhat warm there today wasn't it - makes a change for Snetterton (Bentley Straight overlooking the infield for me). Couple of good races. Roll on Silverstone in a couple of weeks.

[billy bleach]

How come the Barwell car got a drive through and not a stop and go for the time amount they lost in their pitstop? Is this new for 2017? I am sure in y
the past if a car was 2 seconds short it got a 2 second stop and go ?

[Speed-King]

http://sportscar365.com/sro/british-...3-in-question/

BGT going GT4 only in one or two years' time?

[joeb]

Originally Posted by Speed-King

http://sportscar365.com/sro/british-...3-in-question/

BGT going GT4 only in one or two years' time?

Some of the participants didn't see a path forward with GT3. However, things can change quickly and next season there could be 15-20 GT3's or just as easily the class could be dropped. The bigger question for me is if the series does indeed drop the class, is this a harbinger of things to come in other series?

[Akrapovic]

With GT3 cars over half a million and LMP3s under half the price, this isn't a surprise. Richard Dean of United Autosports said it was clear that GT3 was boom and bust. It'd had its boom, and on a national level it was about to have its bust.

[chunterer]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

With GT3 cars over half a million and LMP3s under half the price, this isn't a surprise. Richard Dean of United Autosports said it was clear that GT3 was boom and bust. It'd had its boom, and on a national level it was about to have its bust.

That's ok, the FIA series continue to flourish. However you have to worry when a UK series for these wonderful cars can't work when glorified banger racing does so well. Depressing!