[iV8SC11-AGPDEMO] Australian Grand Prix Albert Park 24-27 March (merged)

[fomoco]

Originally Posted by STEALTHY

When someone dies, things will change. Until then.....

Dead right there, only have to look at few incidents over the years, to see that things changed only after a death.

Dumb down things and wait for a death.

[peckstar]

your right someone died, we made car or track safer, we didnt change the racing and we made insurance compulsory

apart from the safety car, and funnily enough people complain about that

[jason7253]

I really can't understand why a light on the dash system has not been properly developed.With the greatest respect to all flaggies when close to other cars in heat of battle seeing a flag is hit and miss.A big orange light activated by race control or flag point will 100% catch the drivers attention.I,ve been a pack of cars when pouring down with rain and the last thing you are looking for is a flag.Your to busy watching what everybody else is doing.

[peckstar]

not disagreeing with you Jason, but would not have worked in this case

it was just a local yellow at the time and the light in dash system would not have worked for this

[STEALTHY]

Originally Posted by jason7253

I really can't understand why a light on the dash system has not been properly developed.With the greatest respect to all flaggies when close to other cars in heat of battle seeing a flag is hit and miss.A big orange light activated by race control or flag point will 100% catch the drivers attention.I,ve been a pack of cars when pouring down with rain and the last thing you are looking for is a flag.Your to busy watching what everybody else is doing.

Whilst that setup could work, its not going to stop the hasbeens from trying to gain a few places while everyone else is actually slowing, which is the case here...

[jason7253]

Totally agree but cars shouldn't pass under yellow and yes there is always the case of to late to see the incident. Just thinking maybe car should appear to of arrested speed before next flag point(not just talkin about v8,s here)would only work in SC cases or maybe make it if only local yellow.Just thinking.

[E.B]

Originally Posted by bludvl_x19

The problem is the organic component of the racecar, not slowing down.

Exactly. Or to put it another way, the accident was caused by Cockpit Thrombosis - a dangerous clot between seatback and steering wheel .

[Woolley]

Yellow flags should have been clearly visible on approach, although half way round that bend is probably not an easy place to lift. Some sympathy there. As PVDA says, an preceding stationary yellow would have given sufficient advance warning to make a difference - should the drivers bother to observe the instruction.

It's not entirely clear, but SR may have been avoiding the spinning 16 who appears to have lost it when lifting mid corner as he's pointing in a different direction when coming into shot.

With a bunched pack, a difficult spot and lack of advance yellow (and the waved on the point did that annoying wrapping itself around the pole trick) I reluctantly have to agree with racing incident in this case.

[PVDA]

Originally Posted by STEALTHY

When someone dies, things will change. Until then.....

So after what happened at Bathurst a few years ago why do we still have the same flag rules and driver related issues then??

[Axeman444]

Originally Posted by Woolley

Yellow flags should have been clearly visible on approach, although half way round that bend is probably not an easy place to lift. Some sympathy there. As PVDA says, an preceding stationary yellow would have given sufficient advance warning to make a difference - should the drivers bother to observe the instruction.

It's not entirely clear, but SJ may have been avoiding the spinning 16 who appears to have lost it when lifting mid corner as he's pointing in a different direction when coming into shot.

With a bunched pack, a difficult spot and lack of advance yellow (and the waved on the point did that annoying wrapping itself around the pole trick) I reluctantly have to agree with racing incident in this case.

fixed your post
unfortunately the yellow flag at that flag point was only starting to be waved when the CL/RK cars had almost come to a stop, would expect SJ and DR to have been past the preceding flag point before any flag there could be unfurled.

[STEALTHY]

Originally Posted by Woolley

It's not entirely clear, but SR may have been avoiding the spinning 16 who appears to have lost it when lifting mid corner as he's pointing in a different direction when coming into shot.

Have a closer look at the front of SJs car, #16 did't lose anything...

Originally Posted by Axeman444

fixed your post
unfortunately the yellow flag at that flag point was only starting to be waved when the CL/RK cars had almost come to a stop, would expect SJ and DR to have been past the preceding flag point before any flag there could be unfurled.

This, would have been way in front of the preceding flag point.

Originally Posted by PVDA

So after what happened at Bathurst a few years ago why do we still have the same flag rules and driver related issues then??

Your post is the first time I've ever seen someone refer to David Clark as ignoring/not seeing a yellow flag...

[PVDA]

Originally Posted by STEALTHY

Your post is the first time I've ever seen someone refer to David Clark as ignoring/not seeing a yellow flag...

Go back and look at the threads on here and other forums at the time.

[STEALTHY]

Originally Posted by PVDA

Go back and look at the threads on here and other forums at the time.

No point.


So its been established even with people dying things dont change? sweet. Roll on the death machine that is V8SC...

[Axeman444]

Originally Posted by STEALTHY

This, would have been way in front of the preceding flag point.

in the video on Speedcafe, also posted by GTRMagic, the flag is waved at 10 seconds into the clip. SJ arrives at 14 seconds into the clip, and has already crunched Reynolds, and is 50m or so past the flag point.

so what you are saying, is in that 4 second gap

1) flag marshall starts waving flag, while he/she or his/her mate gets on the batphone to the preceding flag point
2) the preceding flag point gets notification of incident, has the time to unfurl the yellow and wave frantically
3) SJ sees and correlates the meaning of said flag
4) SJ travels the distance between flag points
5) SJ arrives within vision of the camera 50m past said flag point at 1), and already crunched Reynolds and is frantically trying to avoid hitting him for a second time?

i thought you were all about the facts in your posts?

[STEALTHY]

Originally Posted by Axeman444

in the video on Speedcafe, also posted by GTRMagic, the flag is waved at 10 seconds into the clip. SJ arrives at 14 seconds into the clip, and has already crunched Reynolds, and is 50m or so past the flag point.

so what you are saying, is in that 4 second gap

1) flag marshall starts waving flag, while he/she or his/her mate gets on the batphone to the preceding flag point
2) the preceding flag point gets notification of incident, has the time to unfurl the yellow and wave frantically
3) SJ sees and correlates the meaning of said flag
4) SJ travels the distance between flag points
5) SJ arrives within vision of the camera 50m past said flag point at 1), and already crunched Reynolds and is frantically trying to avoid hitting him for a second time?

i thought you were all about the facts in your posts?

That awkward moment when axeman realised i was agreeing with his post :/

[Malfunction Junction]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Not sure why Kelly Racing is continuing with the protest. No penalty for Mr Lowndes, other than a financial one, is going to impact the #888 championship campaign. Its not like the IPO can deduct driver points from the championship season for any issue in a non-championship race?

Kelly Racing is continuing with the protest because Rick is a whiny mummy's boy who see Craig as a tall poppy and whinges and moans about him at every opportunity.

For some reason Rick seems magnetically attracted to the back of Craig's cars, regardless of colour, creed or construction. I think it's love, or jealousy, or something similarly childish.

[Axeman444]

Originally Posted by STEALTHY

That awkward moment when axeman realised i was agreeing with his post :/

not from the way i read it

[STEALTHY]

Originally Posted by Axeman444

not from the way i read it

You read it wrong

'This' also means 'I agree with this post', just in less words
Mainly a younger generation thing tho...

My comment was that ALL the cars would have been in front of the preceding flag point by the time the yellow was actually out at the incident point (the one in the footage), so it wouldn't have made a difference about the guys saying the preceding point should still be yellowed (in this case only, for when the cars are spread out more, a preceeding yellow would be helpful)

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by Axeman444

not from the way i read it

your post while able to be understood by most people contained a change of names for the flag point, thus stealthy has been able to misinterpret your post. he is referring to the preceding checkpoint as the one before the checkpoint you see in the footage

unless Stealthy now thinks that the accident was in deed an accident and Stevie J was just caught up in it. But im doubtful thats what he is thinking in this case

[David Towe]

All cars in the taxi series carry GPS and throttle position logging, they need to for data debriefing, so why can't it be used for penalties to be applied in situations like this?

[peckstar]

not sure how that helps in situations like this?

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by David Towe

All cars in the taxi series carry GPS and throttle position logging, they need to for data debriefing, so why can't it be used for penalties to be applied in situations like this?

They also carry on board judicial cameras that also record throttle, steering and brake inputs at the same time as the footage.

I'd be very surprised if footage from the cameras on the cars wasn't used as part of the decision process by the judiciary.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by peckstar

not sure how that helps in situations like this?

Presumably it may assist in determining whether Mr Kelly or Mr Lowndes deliberately drove into each other, if the data shows the accelerator pressure increased before/during/after contact...



I just thought we had Phillip Island 2006 back on the teev, albeit with much much less to play for....

[fomoco]

Originally Posted by David Towe

All cars in the taxi series carry GPS and throttle position logging, they need to for data debriefing, so why can't it be used for penalties to be applied in situations like this?

When Tim anouced some years ago, that we weren't allowed to wave a blue flag, Quote "the telementy will tell us " , then to appease the FIA , we adopted the dumb down flagging sytem, thanks to our fearless leaders, CAMS ( C&&&& Against Motorsport) . So the reality is, they can examine in car footage, telementry etc, so the can eleminate any human input.

So far all it has caused is grief.

But thats the way the wanted to go.

Dumb (V8SI) and Dumber(CAMS)

[David Towe]

Originally Posted by peckstar

not sure how that helps in situations like this?

By having evidence on exactly what was going on in each car to help determine who was doing what, before, during and after the accident. By checking all cars you could see who lifted when the yellows were displayed and who didn't, that way penalites could be handed out and perhaps a culture of, if I lift and the other guy doesn't, I'll lose ground, might be changed and maybe a life saved. These cars have the technology, so why not use it.
Not that hard to figure out I would have thought.