Rumored PLM entrants - Page 4

**FIRE** · 26 Aug 2007, 20:27 (Ref:1997016)

You mean their Radical?

ger80 · 26 Aug 2007, 20:32 (Ref:1997020)

A joke only. Think we have to wait for the announcement of the new Intersport car like we have to wait for the Embassy one.
A new creation would make sense, but I am not sure if they are 100% happy with the current car. On the other hand, most of there problems had been tire problems

SebringMG · 26 Aug 2007, 20:36 (Ref:1997022)

They may run the Creation CA07 suppported by Creation themselves to see if it is worth buying (or the upgrade kit at least?) - would enable them to determine where they are not getting the hang of the car!!

Or could be a new P2 car i suppose ?

ThePenguin · 26 Aug 2007, 20:43 (Ref:1997027)

Quote:

Originally Posted by SebringMG

Or could be a new P2 car i suppose ?

There are plenty of choices for LMP2 cars, but they are so competitive that LMP1 makes more sense for teams of that size.

HORNDAWG · 26 Aug 2007, 21:24 (Ref:1997054)

Quote:

Originally Posted by SebringMG

They may run the Creation CA07 suppported by Creation themselves to see if it is worth buying (or the upgrade kit at least?) - would enable them to determine where they are not getting the hang of the car!!

Or could be a new P2 car i suppose ?

That is an interesting thought! The Fields and J.C. Walter in the CA07 at PLM.

L.P.

Zurbert82 · 26 Aug 2007, 22:53 (Ref:1997140)

Quote:

Originally Posted by vorsprung

IIRC B-K has Intersport's old Lola.

B-K have two brand new Lola chassis. Intersports old Lola B05/40 is now an Acura show car in Lowes livery.

dxk1 · 27 Aug 2007, 00:59 (Ref:1997173)

Is the VDS Radical so badly damaged that they will not be able to enter PLM?

DK

Zurbert82 · 27 Aug 2007, 01:08 (Ref:1997174)

Quote:

Originally Posted by dxk1

Is the VDS Radical so badly damaged that they will not be able to enter PLM?

DK

Hopefully it's just bodywork/suspension and not the tub. I believe they already cracked the tub in their Summit Point testing incident back in March, hence their long absense.

broadrun96 · 27 Aug 2007, 01:08 (Ref:1997175)

Wouldn't it make ALOT of sense to both Creation and Intersport to run the non-hybrid car they are running now at PLM? Prob not a good shot at winning but a good showing there could do wonders for another Creation running at LM next year. Plus I'm guessing Intersport could use any help, monetary or just technical, the Creation could provide.

Zytek_Fan · 27 Aug 2007, 02:59 (Ref:1997189)

Quote:

Originally Posted by SebringMG

They may run the Creation CA07 suppported by Creation themselves to see if it is worth buying (or the upgrade kit at least?) - would enable them to determine where they are not getting the hang of the car!!

Or could be a new P2 car i suppose ?

The upgrade kit requires a new tub.

HORNDAWG · 27 Aug 2007, 15:25 (Ref:1997651)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan

The upgrade kit requires a new tub.

I think that is incorrect as the tub is the residing place for the build/serial/vin# and therefore if it where to be replaced it would be a new chassis/car.

L.P.

Fogelhund · 27 Aug 2007, 15:42 (Ref:1997669)

At this juncture, it seems highly improbable that Intersport will be in any kind of Creation by PLM. The motivation seems to be more in question at this point.

Zytek_Fan · 28 Aug 2007, 05:14 (Ref:1998099)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fogelhund

At this juncture, it seems highly improbable that Intersport will be in any kind of Creation by PLM. The motivation seems to be more in question at this point.

Maybe the Lola B08/60... (the coupe)

The359 · 28 Aug 2007, 05:57 (Ref:1998112)

There are no B08/60s at the moment, I'm not even sure if the design process is done on them.

Fogelhund · 28 Aug 2007, 06:32 (Ref:1998126)

The first coupe isn't expected to be complete until late October, or early November.

ger80 · 28 Aug 2007, 19:38 (Ref:1998662)

From Mariantic:
Intersport to have turbo LMP1 by PLM - bear (Velocity ex Dyson Lola?)
http://murphythebear.com/blog/2007/08/27/69/#more-69

Quote:

Back to the Future

An Ohio team will have a new-to-them, previously owned, turbocharged P1 in time for Petit Le Mans. What the heck, they can’t do any worse than they have, can they? Will they complicate things for themselves with an engine swap? Who knows? Murphy hears this is Richard’s show.

SebringMG · 28 Aug 2007, 20:01 (Ref:1998677)

Would make the most sense - outside bet would be the Chamberlain-Synergy LMS car - if it is true that they are trying to offload ?

ger80 · 28 Aug 2007, 20:17 (Ref:1998692)

Chamberlain got the updated AER engine?

Jonerz · 29 Aug 2007, 00:25 (Ref:1998848)

I don't understand their logic... I guess the idea is to be more competitive but what makes them think they'd be more competitive with the Lola? Because they have more experience with Lola? Don't they have the tub updates for the Creation anyway? Bah, someone must try to explain their reasoning to me.

Chris

Fogelhund · 29 Aug 2007, 01:34 (Ref:1998869)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonerz

I don't understand their logic... I guess the idea is to be more competitive but what makes them think they'd be more competitive with the Lola? Because they have more experience with Lola? Don't they have the tub updates for the Creation anyway? Bah, someone must try to explain their reasoning to me.

Chris

Chris, this is but speculation on my part. The Creation is a fantastic chassis, and can be very competitive. It would appear to me, that this car is one that has a narrower range to find the sweet spot, than other chassis. Either you are in that sweet spot, or you are out to lunch. Neither Intersport, nor Autocon have the people on board, who are capable of engineering such setups. Autocon's car is a disaster. This thing bounces around like a porpoise.. the Intersport less so, but still more than anything else on the track.

In short, the Creation is a very good chassis, but it is well beyond the capabilities of small privateer teams, in terms of getting setup.

canam · 29 Aug 2007, 08:57 (Ref:1999009)

Given that Creation were able to make the car work with with non-professional drivers last year (and Jota in previous years) suggests that the car is fairly forgiving and its 'sweet spot' is probably fairly wide--whereas the Porsche and the Audi appear to require very fine balancing.

The bouncing (or porpoising) that was mentioned in a previous reply is something that requires experience (both testing and driver) to eradicate. I seem to remember most of the Creation/Zytek teams mentioning the problem but they managed to resolve it.

It will be a huge issue as the bouncing will damage the front of the car very badly as well as making it extremely difficult to drive.

Fogelhund · 29 Aug 2007, 11:18 (Ref:1999096)

Quote:

Originally Posted by canam

Given that Creation were able to make the car work with with non-professional drivers last year (and Jota in previous years) suggests that the car is fairly forgiving and its 'sweet spot' is probably fairly wide--whereas the Porsche and the Audi appear to require very fine balancing.

Non-pro drivers don't setup the cars. They drive the cars they are given. My reference was to the engineers doing the work on the car, and the actual setups.

SebringMG · 29 Aug 2007, 19:41 (Ref:1999464)

And that is part of the problem - drivers who are incapable of passing technical information back to the engineeers to help setup the car!! Perhaps teams like Autocon should have a pro driver on the books to assist them setting up the car?

Changing the car will not negate the setup problem. Besides i thought Creation supplied an Engineer to assist the customer teams ?

Hammerdown · 29 Aug 2007, 20:09 (Ref:1999491)

Quote:

Originally Posted by canam

Given that Creation were able to make the car work with with non-professional drivers last year

Who's that then?

The Badger · 29 Aug 2007, 20:27 (Ref:1999515)

Quote:

Originally Posted by SebringMG

Besides i thought Creation supplied an Engineer to assist the customer teams ?

An engineer aint going to do much use if he doesnt recieve the correct info though .

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
PLM Entries?	Garrett	Sportscar & GT Racing	127	27 Sep 2006 02:18
2004 Drivers / Teams / Sponsors - Rumored and Confirmed	Archer	Australasian Touring Cars.	121	21 Jan 2004 02:15
Private entrants...	thecoolerking	Sportscar & GT Racing	3	19 Jan 2004 10:07
is there a PLM webcast?	Osella	Sportscar & GT Racing	4	16 Oct 2003 18:16