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Old 13 Nov 2021, 16:33 (Ref:4083238)   #76
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Your comments prove otherwise, it is more than just "not beeing a fan" in your comments about Max
Yawn!

Interesting to note that you see to know me better than I know myself.

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Let's just wait for the stewards' (or the FIA's) verdict.
Not much we can do about it, anyway
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€50k fine for Verstappen but no other action. Touches deemed "insignificant" in terms of force.

Also noting that future breaches of this type may be treated differently.

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/decision-document/2021%20Brazilian%20Grand%20Prix%20-%20Offence%20-%20Car%2033.pdf
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Old 13 Nov 2021, 16:49 (Ref:4083242)   #78
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Verstappen found guilty of breaching the regulations and given a $50,000 fine.
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Old 13 Nov 2021, 16:57 (Ref:4083243)   #79
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They took a LONG time to make a decsion over such a trivial non-incident.

Who gets to keep the EUR 50k?

I wish they would get on with a decsion over the more serious Mercedes DRS issue. What is taking so long?
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Yawn!

Interesting to note that you see to know me better than I know myself.

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Let's just wait for the stewards' (or the FIA's) verdict.
Not much we can do about it, anyway
I know the comments you make and have made about Max
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€50k fine for Verstappen but no other action. Touches deemed "insignificant" in terms of force.

Also noting that future breaches of this type may be treated differently.

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/fi...20Car%2033.pdf

If light touches like that would have an impact on that wing it would not be safe to race
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I know the comments you make and have made about Max
I don't like Max as a person, and I am not a fan.
Do I hate him? No.

I don't like Lewis as a person, and I am not a fan.
Do I hate him? No.

Just move on OK, I am sick and tired of your personal attacks on me just because I do not like your favorite driver.
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I don't like Max as a person, and I am not a fan.
Do I hate him? No.

I don't like Lewis as a person, and I am not a fan.
Do I hate him? No.

Just move on OK, I am sick and tired of your personal attacks on me just because I do not like your favorite driver.
Like I said: from you comments on Max it really seems like more than just "not liking" and not just this time
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Like I said: from you comments on Max it really seems like more than just "not liking" and not just this time
Jeezes ...

just for people like you I would prefer Max NOT to win the championship.
Then again, I am not a fan of Lewis either so the alternative is not exactly better


Now, please talke about something else and not me.
If I would want a complete anaylysis of my personality, I'll talk to a professional and not you.
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If light touches like that would have an impact on that wing it would not be safe to race
It is never that simple. A light touch in the 'wrong' manner can have an impact.
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Hamilton disqualified from qualifying
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Ah, here's what we've all been waiting for:

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/fi...%20-%20DRS.pdf

DQ from qualifying results.
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Old 13 Nov 2021, 17:18 (Ref:4083254)   #89
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It will be very interesting to see how many places Hamilton can make up in the sprint "Race". this season has shown he has the ability to dig deep and get great results when under pressure.

For the good of the championship, a good result for Hamilton is needed.
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Old 13 Nov 2021, 17:21 (Ref:4083255)   #90
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they might as well change engine/gearbox
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they might as well change engine/gearbox
That's assuming they don't think he can make up places in the sprint.

As I understand, a PU/gearbox change now puts him to the back for the race. He then has to come a long way to get points.
As it currently stands, I think starting in the top 12 is a possibility.
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Old 13 Nov 2021, 17:42 (Ref:4083259)   #92
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Yes, penalty's are in the main GP
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I think in both instances that was the right outcome.

Edit: Having said that and this is the Steward's ruling, ''Therefore, the Stewards
order the usual penalty for technical non-compliance of Disqualification from the
qualifying session. '', should Hamilton be allowed to compete in the sprint race and the actual Grand Prix, as he has been disqualified from the qualifying session?
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Throwing a genuine question out there regarding regulation and wording, regardless of which driver it relates to …..

I believe I’m right In saying that, on sprint weekends we have Qualification, which sets the grid for a Qualification sprint. The finishing order of this combination together with event grid penalties sets the grid for the Grand Prix.

So my question is if a driver is disqualified from the fist element of the Grand Prix qualification process, how can the be allowed to take part in the second part?

And as such, should the driver (whomever it is) not the have to start the Grand Prix proper from last place, as has been the case where previously drivers have been disqualified from qualification?
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Good question.

Can still take to the grid based on lap times set in practice?

Just a guess.

Sprint quali is about to be judged by Hams ability to make up places though.

Is it all manufactured? Maybe a bit but either way i am excited to watch!
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Twitter is going to go into meltdown. I hope we have a more balanced discussion here.

The fine is stupid, and they may as well have just issued Verstappen a warning and that is that. It's not like he attacked the car with a crowbar!

Qualfying DQ for Hamilton seems right such a technical infringement. I cant see how it could have gone any other way. Driver did nothing wrong, but that is not the point.
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Given the sums involved a 50k fine is a warning.

Maybe even less then a warning.

In relative terms this fine is most likely a lower percentage of his salary then a speeding fine given to a person earning an average salary.
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Twitter is going to go into meltdown. I hope we have a more balanced discussion here.

The fine is stupid, and they may as well have just issued Verstappen a warning and that is that. It's not like he attacked the car with a crowbar!

Qualifying DQ for Hamilton seems right such a technical infringement. I cant see how it could have gone any other way. Driver did nothing wrong, but that is not the point.
Twitter always goes into meltdown. It's such a shame our two title contenders have such delusional, toxic fans. Or maybe I just described the average twitter user rather than the average Hamilton/Verstappen fan, as I rarely see any rubbish like that on here. This is not a dig at any Hamilton or Verstappen fans on here; like I said, we usually get balanced discussions here. But somehow on most websites (with Twitter the worst, of course), there always seems to be so many ridiculous comments suggesting that one car is loads faster than the other and that the driver is terrible. I don't know how many of these people are just trolls and how many are actually that delusional, but it has been one of the worst stories of an otherwise brilliant season.

Sorry, rant over. Both decisions by the stewards are absolutely correct. Yes, maybe the fine is a bit harsh, but as chillibowl said, 50k is nothing to Red Bull.
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Horner talking about it very fairly imo.
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