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15 Dec 2003, 13:06 (Ref:812146)
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From watching races at Road Atlanta, it is a fairly fast circuit, but there are combinatins of esses or sweepers that tend to brak up its straights....thus it would seem to require a little more downforce...
at a minimum, cars that handle better in and out of corners are on more equal footing against cars that are better in straight-line speed... Road America tends to be a very fast circuit with longer straights that are unbroken by these combinations than Road Atlanta, and the corners at Road America seem to be faster combinations... On Laguna....I originally thought that Laguna would fall into the Sonoma-type category as wll, but when I read the "Fast Lap" article on the ALMS site last summer preceding that race, the driver talked about virtually all of those corner combinations, with the exception of the corkscrew, as being fast corners that you push through pretty hard.....even that first corner, that is a rather open-looking hairpin or 180 degree corner.... Of course, that driver who wrote the piece pilots an Audi, so I guess every circuit is "Fast" in an Audi.... Still...if you look at it even from my list straght up, 6 of the 9 tracks set up very well for the R&S....that alone would make them a contender....especially with only one Audi expected in next year's ALMS field... |
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15 Dec 2003, 13:45 (Ref:812183)
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Downforce needed especially for those esses.
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15 Dec 2003, 14:47 (Ref:812226)
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Since we have been contemplating, I'll come up with a quick comparison.
I will use the Dyson MkIIIa, the Intersport, the ASR and the Goosens' MkIII vs. any Audi that has a faster lap for all the ALMS venues: DC: Fast Lap# Car# Time: 1 Audi #2 1:03.883 8 MkIIIa #16 1:07.410 Trios Rivieres 02/03: 1 Audi #1 :59.568 6 MkIIIa #16 1:01.913 -------------------------- 1 Audi #1 :59.265 7 MkIIIC #12 1:01.412 Mosport 03 2 Audi #38 1:09.593 13 MkIIIc #12 1:16.250 (engine failure) Infineon 02/03 1 Audi #1 1:26.307 4 MkIIIa #16 1:32.169 ---------------------- 2 Audi #38 1:25.234 8 MkIIIc #12 1:30.336 Road America 03 1 Audi #1 1:54.613 8 MkIIIc #12 2:03.316 Laguna Seca 03 1 Audi #1 1:17.757 5 MkIIIc #30 1:21.030 (Pilbeam 1:21.789) Sebring 02/03 1 Audi #1 1:48.418 6 MkIIIc #36 1:51.900 (faster than 4 Panoz,Ascaris,and Dallara) -------------------------------------- Qualifying (no fast laps of race found) 3 Audi #1 1:48.826 9 MkIIIC #36 1:51.810 Miami 02/03 1 Audi #1 1:05.620 (remember track changes) 4 MkIIIc #36 1:07.421 ------------------------------------- 1 Audi #38 :49.260 6 MkIIIc #12 :51.495 Petit 02/03 1 Audi #1 1:11.877 4 MkIIIc #36 1:13.354 -------------------------------------- 1 Audi #38 1:12.624 8 MkIIIc #12 1:16.729 BTW, looking at most of these times, 90% of the time a MkIII is faster (even the As) than any other available platform. |
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15 Dec 2003, 14:48 (Ref:812229)
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My interpretation of the above. Run Sebring and bring home a podium.
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15 Dec 2003, 14:56 (Ref:812233)
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Oh yeah, the Oreca Dallaras are here:
Rollcentre Racing boss, Martin Short has revealed that the team have purchased two 2002 ORECA Dallaras for 2004, and that they will enter the new Le Mans Endurance series [LMES], in conjunction with the Sebring 12 hours and the Le Mans 24 hours, the latter subject to being granted approval. Speaking yesterday, Short revealed: "I am delighted to announce that Rollcentre Racing have purchased the two 2002 ORECA Dallaras that finished fourth and sixth at Le Mans last year. "We will be entering the classic Sebring race, and the Le Mans Endurance Series of four 1000km races for 2004. The Le Mans 24 hour race will be the jewel in the crown should we be invited to participate. |
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15 Dec 2003, 15:33 (Ref:812253)
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and the mkIIIc is faster than the 'a' version of course.
The Audi's are insanely faster at worst 2.5 seconds faster, even some 9 second gaps! how much can a better powerplant help? 9 second even 3 is an enomrous gap to cover (and when the pilbeam snuck up within half a sec! oh man) how difficult is it to hybrid a 675 to a 900, or is it a matter of new crash test and homolgation? or even an LMP1? ok how much does homolgation cost? and the crash tests? |
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15 Dec 2003, 15:45 (Ref:812262)
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Tow notes mentioned before:
American Spirit was down of horsepower...as much as 4 mph or more slower on thr straights than a Panoz (according to MLewis in a post over the summer when we asked about the Lincoln engine)....MLewis also said that he and his teammate were both TA drivers, and they had a little bit of a learning curve with the transition from a TA car to a lighter mid-engined prototype with a lot more grip... Intersport had the Elan power, but very little if any time to familiarize themselves with the particulars of the chassis... Remember...they had lots of repair work to do on the 675 class cars due to mishaps...and then the converted one of them to the Judd specs....when you're dealing with one crisis after another, sorting out and dialing in your LMP900 had to be a very low priority when John Field was in the hunt for the 675 class championship.... The Times listed above for the Matthews car (Sebring, as an example, or Petit 02) was with a team that had the time to test and sort out set-ups, and the drivers were acclimated to the car...there wasn't ever a power shortage with that chassis... |
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17 Dec 2003, 20:36 (Ref:814468)
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Let's Broaden the Scope a Little:
Look at the "Pesca's Solution for More Power" concerning the Aurora 4.0L V-8 for power, and think about othr chassis that you could get for a good price to drop it into... How about Promec??? They supposedly are starting an LMP2 program for 2004....thus their carbon fiber SR1 from the FIA-SCC wouldn't be legal to run there.... Bet they'd sell it cheap to raise $$$ for their new cars, and the Aurora would fit in it.. Or the SnoBeck chassis that was unveiled at LM in 2001, then didn't have the funding to take it racing... It's collecting dust....and they are running other forms of race cars...bet they'd sell that chassis, too...for real cheap... Any others out there you can think of???? |
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17 Dec 2003, 22:43 (Ref:814610)
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What about the Aston Martin V8 as used in the Vantage, and later in the AMR-1 where it seemed to be coping nicely. I assume the problem here is a legal one more than anything else.
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18 Dec 2003, 01:48 (Ref:814758)
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I just emailed tony gentilozzi about the Jaguar AJ-8 and the Ford T/A engines, hopefully I will have an answer in a day or so.
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18 Dec 2003, 13:59 (Ref:815149)
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Keep us posted, billnchristy....
I'm interested in both options..can't have too much info....and the moe I learn the more I can appreciate this sport |
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18 Dec 2003, 14:15 (Ref:815166)
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18 Dec 2003, 14:23 (Ref:815177)
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Is the Crawford chassis still lying around?
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18 Dec 2003, 14:25 (Ref:815181)
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I'm sure it is....Dyson ran it last year at Virginia International Raceway in a Grand Am event...
It would have to be fitted with the rear diffusers (not allowed in GARRA) but I'm sure that those elements of the chassis exist..... Wonder what it would sell for???? |
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18 Dec 2003, 15:54 (Ref:815314)
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the wild cat engines- Pushrods! ha ha-
the 6litre would be the way to go as the 5.0 is only up to 400hp right now. how about this guy in New zealand to supply engines- from Kit car magazine A powerful Toyota 4L engine pumps out a thunderous stampede of 800 horses. Aided by an Air Research turbocharger with a 20-pound boost and Porsche X8 injector, this 2,200-pound kit racer can exceed 200 mph. http://www.kitcarmag.com/featuredveh...142_0311_kiwi/ I can't beleive he pulled this off. |
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18 Dec 2003, 16:08 (Ref:815331)
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I like the New Zealand twist....
I love it when people use their intellect and instincts to take something to a new level.... This would be some serious power to consider.... |
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18 Dec 2003, 22:20 (Ref:815602)
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As i posted in the Pesca section, the T/A AJ-8 Engine will be 55k and expected to be rebuilt every 4 races (T/A races 100miles) =>rebuilt every race...very uneconomical.
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19 Dec 2003, 02:19 (Ref:815716)
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I've been doing a lot of research on my own for this thread, but my ideas have not been very feasible. lol Everything is too pricey. Oh well. But I did run across a 1999 Panoz LMP01 with the Elan 6.0 Liter motor that is listed for $550,000. That seems pretty darn reasonable to me and would be capable of a podium finish. Is a Riley and Scott quicker? They also had a Mclaren F1GTR longtail listed for sale, but didn't give the asking price. Anyone have some cash?
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19 Dec 2003, 03:15 (Ref:815729)
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whered you see the Panoz listed?
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19 Dec 2003, 04:10 (Ref:815749)
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www.962.com
That's the website. First time I ever found it. Pretty cool. I know many here probably know it, but its new to me! Here's the link to the Panoz. Elsewhere on the site it says this car ran a 1:12 at Road Atlanta, which isn't bad. http://962.com/other_racing_cars/199..._LMP/index.htm |
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25 Dec 2003, 14:53 (Ref:820390)
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Just because it's a one-off doesn't mean they'll sell it cheap.
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25 Dec 2003, 14:59 (Ref:820392)
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How about dusting off an old 962? They've been modified so many times, to all sorts of different regulations, surely there is enough life left in the design for yet another decade of successful racing?
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29 Dec 2003, 22:16 (Ref:822911)
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A couple of notes:
A Panoz for $550,000 doesn't sound very cheap to me...not for a tema on a "Shoestring"... and I believe that you can buy an R&S new for a little less than that.... The Porsche 962 is indeed an interesting thought...wonder how much it would cost you to get one and more important, the cost to modify it to conform to the regs.... |
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29 Dec 2003, 22:28 (Ref:822929)
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I believe Kremer still has a K8.
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