Sports And Saloon Races At Walter Hayes Trophy

[morgsamallock]

I'm away at the moment, anyone see my name on the list?
under M Burgess

[graeme]

Yep - M Burgess, number 5 in Group 1

[Les]

Huffy is in the MG I believe

[morgsamallock]

great can't wait till Friday, bit worried about that Mosler though!
cheers

[Al Weyman]

Whats a Mosler.

[Alfaholic]

Is this entry list available online anywhere, or will I need to wait until I get the programme at Silverstone on Saturday to see who else is racing ?

And Al, a Mosler's just another V8 engined American muscle car........

[graeme]

Originally Posted by morgsamallock

great can't wait till Friday, bit worried about that Mosler though!
cheers

You're worried about the Mosler - I reckon Mr Short is going to be about 20 seconds a lap quicker than me! It'll be a bit like when I took my 2CV out in a predominately Porsche test session...

[morgsamallock]

Haven't seen the list yet whats he driving? guess thats the way with these races though speed differential is the main problem although splitting them into two races should improve the situation. Anyone else out on Friday?

[graeme]

Originally Posted by morgsamallock

Haven't seen the list yet whats he driving? guess thats the way with these races though speed differential is the main problem although splitting them into two races should improve the situation. Anyone else out on Friday?

Shorty's driving the Mosler

Splitting the races should improve the situation, except I'm in fast group. I guess the "handicapper" sees Caterham and doesn't know whether it's a 250bhp+ Superlight or a 100bhp Grads car on crap tyres

[Simon S]

got to say I am somewhat un-impressed with the way this has been dealt with...

you should not tell people that getting an entry should be ok, then keep them hanging on for a week, before then copping out and getting somebody else to tell them no space whist in the mean time money and resources have already been spent and committed.

It would have been somewhat more professional just to say sorry, it’s full in the first place.

Thank you, this will not be forgotten.


PS. I appear not to be alone in this predicament...

[Ian Sowman]

Simon, I presume that you have contacted the organisers directly with your concerns and given them an opportunity to respond before raising them on a public forum. It isn't terribly helpful to the hard-working organisers to do this.

As it happens, James Beckett regularly posts on here and I will alert him to this thread to give him an opportunity to respond.

[Simon S]

Originally Posted by Ian Sowman

Simon, I presume that you have contacted the organisers directly with your concerns and given them an opportunity to respond before raising them on a public forum. It isn't terribly helpful to the hard-working organisers to do this.

As it happens, James Beckett regularly posts on here and I will alert him to this thread to give him an opportunity to respond.

that would be nice.

getting him to answer the phone seems to be a major challenge.

as I am sure you may well have picked up, I am somewhat livid at all this.

[johnw]

Originally Posted by Ian Sowman

It isn't terribly helpful to the hard-working organisers to do this.

Master of the understatement then Ian

Simon, somewhere on this forum you will find posts explaining that James has had to organise this pretty much single handedly - and that Mrs B is expecting their first child this weekend, so please give the guy a break.

As James has posted several times, the easiest way to contact him is email to James.Beckett@brdc.co.uk

The 8 Clubs ethos is a fun clubbie weekend, let's keep it like that.

[Simon S]

I am not about to get into a slanging match here, and I do apreciate what you are saying.

I have in the past nothing but praise for the way 8 Clus was run (first did this meeting some 6 years ago).

my issue is the fact that I have just effectively lost a significant wedge of cash due to somebody's in-ability to give a clear and concise answer, on MANY occasions.

Both a colleage and myself have been trying to get a straight answer out of him for over a week.

A simple no a week ago would have resolved this, rather than giving us the impression that this would be OK.

I am sorry if James has other issues on his plate, however, how is this my problem?

[johnw]

Originally Posted by Simon S

(first did this meeting some 6 years ago).

Apologies, didn't realise that you were a newbie

Seriously, try emailing James. I find that he responds pretty quickly to them.

[Simon S]

like I said, no would have sufficed.

from another point of view:

http://tentenths.com/forum/showpost....7&postcount=48

[Ian Sowman]

Let's put this in some kind of perspective. A couple of potential drivers who attempted to enter at a relatively late stage (it would appear) hit a bit of a problem. I don't know the reasons why, but it is unfortunate and I am sure that everyone would have liked to see yourself and any other affected drivers there.

However, there are many, many drivers in the 8 Clubs races, the BRDC Walter Hayes Trophy and the support events that will have been delighted with the organisation of the event.

[Simon S]

you seem to have missed the point.

had we been just told, sorry, no space, we would not have commited time/money/etc to the setup for this, and whist being dissapointed, I would have no problem with this.

Get the point?

[R59]

I hate to say it Simon, but you seem to be taking the attitude that this is an event in the same vein as a Britcar meeting. It is not. It's a jolly, it's a fun day out.

Since it sounds like you've spent money on getting someone to prepare your car in readiness for this meeting, only to find that you've tried to enter an oversubscribed group of races, why not look at the MSV Winter series? Next week, there is a sports/GT & open saloons race - you could vent your adrenaline there. Your car is already prepared, all you have to do is go and enjoy yourself. See the MSV website for details.

Oh, and ask the guy with his Nissan GTP car to go along too, he needs to find a darkened room to lay in as well.

The definition of frustration sits in my own workshop. Being in a position where I don't have the funds to pay someone else to prep it, but having so much work that I don't have time to do it myself, and having a serious need to test and race it.

Rob.

[R59]

Originally Posted by Al Weyman

Whats a Mosler.

It's a beastie. www.rollcentre.co.uk

See Martin's website, click on the Mosler bit.

Rob.

[JEB]

Thank you for alerting me to the contents of this thread this morning.

The 8 Clubs races were taken over by the BRDC when the '8 Clubs' felt that they could no longer proceed with running a race meeting at Silverstone.

The races have been very enjoyable, and this year entries for the race boomed.

The Club Department has worked hard to look after all competitors, and as a result were required to include a further grid of cars into an already tight timetable (the first grid was full to capacity in just five days).

This means that a total of x4 races will take place on Saturday - each grid having the opportunity to race twice.

Entries quickly filled up for race two with a vast mixture of shapes and sizes entered.
A reserve list of some 15-20 cars was compiled, and slowly some of the accepted cars dropped out and others made their way to the entry from the reserve list.

The closing date for entries was some fourteen days prior to the meeting, and many people applied after the cut-off date as well, leaving a very full number of cars.

In the last few days, again, a number of withdrawls took place - car sales, work commitments, a surprise holiday just three of the reasons.

Telephone calls were made to me, and to my Entries Secretary, regarding extra entries, and possible starts, and this is where, if any, confusion will have come from.

The BRDC has a first class entries secretary, Carol Jeffs, who works mornings at the Club. Telephone calls to Carol may have gone unknown to myself and vice-versa, I admit probably due to an enormous workload for us both.

We have tried to help all where possible - and regret if individuals are not happy.
The BRDC Walter Hayes Trophy meeting, indeed all of the BRDC Club Race meetings are designed for the competitor. Low entry fees, relaxed atmosphere and the chance to race at Silverstone.

All I can do is apologise to those disappointed.

In answer to my telephone it has been very busy. I am the point of contact for all things WHT, not to mention my everyday role as Assistant Club Secretary for the BRDC. I keep a telephone log, and yesterday alone (Tuesday) I personally answered my office telephone and mobile over 600 times - and while I was on the phone a further 200 messages were left.

If in doubt - send me an email: James.Beckett@brdc.co.uk

[Simon S]

James,

Thanks for the honest reply, I fully understand how this happend, but hindsight is not really much help, to be honest, from our perspective, if you had just said what the situation was at the time we first enquired, none of this would have happend.

Originally Posted by racing59

I hate to say it Simon, but you seem to be taking the attitude that this is an event in the same vein as a Britcar meeting. It is not. It's a jolly, it's a fun day out.

Since it sounds like you've spent money on getting someone to prepare your car in readiness for this meeting, only to find that you've tried to enter an oversubscribed group of races, why not look at the MSV Winter series? Next week, there is a sports/GT & open saloons race - you could vent your adrenaline there. Your car is already prepared, all you have to do is go and enjoy yourself. See the MSV website for details.

Oh, and ask the guy with his Nissan GTP car to go along too, he needs to find a darkened room to lay in as well.

The definition of frustration sits in my own workshop. Being in a position where I don't have the funds to pay someone else to prep it, but having so much work that I don't have time to do it myself, and having a serious need to test and race it.

Rob.

Rob,

exactly what is this supposed to mean?

I take it you have a problem with Mr. Tucker and they way he runs things?
I can only speak from my own experience, but I have never however had call to complain about how the organisation of Britcar has been handled, (I may not agree with some bit's of it, but there is no ambiguity about what will or will not happen.

As for your comments on car prep, you are barking up the wrong tree. The cars are ready, it’s organising the staff/transport/accommodation/expenses to support these over a weekend that requires planning and money. Having done this, it’s somewhat useless as this is not transferable to another weekend at the drop of a hat. It may supprise you to learn that GTP cars take some looking after, it’s not like just dusting off you Caterham or the like, chucking it on a trailer, and bingo your there.

Lastly, the implication of your comment about paying people to prep a car, it may interest you to know We have done the entire Britcar season this year doing everything ourselves, (to the point where it’s actually comment upon in press clippings).

[Al Weyman]

Someone was asking what was entered for Group 2, here is what is on my list a real pot purri, should be entertaining to say the least:

Truimph Spitfire 1297
Mini 7 1000
MGA 1900
British Leyland LM10? 1600
Mini 7 1000
MG Roadster 1840
Ford Escort 1800
BMW E30 2000
Chevrolet Camaro 5700
Alfa Romeo GTA 1600
Mini 7 1000
Truimph GT6 M11 1998
MGA Twin Cam 1950
Mini Miglia 1300
Golf GTi 1800
BMW M3 2494
Milano GT Mk1 2998
Truimph TR6 2496
Truimph Spitfire Mk 4 1297
Truimph Spitfire Mk 4 1500
Jaguar XK140 3400
Aston Martin DB
Ford Cortina GT
Truimph Herald Coupe 1500
Alfa Romeo GTA 1600
Lotus Elan S3 1594
Renault 5TS 1275
MG ZR 1800
Turner Mk 1 1220
Mini 7 1100

[graeme]

Originally Posted by Al Weyman

Someone was asking what was entered for Group 2, here is what is on my list a real pot purri, should be entertaining to say the least:

Truimph Spitfire 1297
Mini 7 1000
MGA 1900
British Leyland LM10? 1600
Mini 7 1000
MG Roadster 1840
Ford Escort 1800
BMW E30 2000
Chevrolet Camaro 5700
Alfa Romeo GTA 1600
Mini 7 1000
Truimph GT6 M11 1998
MGA Twin Cam 1950
Mini Miglia 1300
Golf GTi 1800
BMW M3 2494
Milano GT Mk1 2998
Truimph TR6 2496
Truimph Spitfire Mk 4 1297
Truimph Spitfire Mk 4 1500
Jaguar XK140 3400
Aston Martin DB
Ford Cortina GT
Truimph Herald Coupe 1500
Alfa Romeo GTA 1600
Lotus Elan S3 1594
Renault 5TS 1275
MG ZR 1800
Turner Mk 1 1220
Mini 7 1100

Only 30 cars?

[Al Weyman]

Opps sorry that will teach me to try to be a smart *rse!

Add:

Mallock M6 1558 cc
Mini 7 1000cc
BMW M3 2300

Sorry!