F1 Personel on the Move - Page 4

billy bleach · 15 Nov 2016, 18:41 (Ref:3688317)

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Originally Posted by wolfhound

It seems like Ron Dennis will be leaving McLaren shortly but it will not be his choice.

http://classic.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127064

I can't see it being the same team without Dennis being involved as he has been its leader for over the last 30 years.

You reap what you sow.....

chillibowl · 15 Nov 2016, 20:44 (Ref:3688345)

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Originally Posted by wolfhound

Ron Dennis is going on gardening leave and will no longer be chairman and chief executive of the McLaren Technology Group.

http://classic.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127123

What will McLaren be without RD involved, interesting times ahead.

indeed interesting times ahead. sounds like he still has some fight left in him so i hope he can find a way back!

rpolinski · 15 Nov 2016, 20:58 (Ref:3688350)

That's the way the world is. Those that put all the hard work in, spending time away from there families to make a company into the automotive and technology giant it is today, thrown to the wolves by the money men.

**GTRMagic** · 15 Nov 2016, 22:37 (Ref:3688365)

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Originally Posted by rpolinski

That's the way the world is. Those that put all the hard work in, spending time away from there families to make a company into the automotive and technology giant it is today, thrown to the wolves by the money men.

Don't think for a moment that Mr Dennis didn't have a hand in his own demise... there were said to be options... and they didn't get activated...

I don't think Mr Dennis will be short of a bob..

Be nice to see him take over a small team and go again... does he have that kind of fight left in him at 69 years old?

spider · 15 Nov 2016, 23:00 (Ref:3688368)

Gutted for him. What he's done at McLaren is exceptional. Remarkable. Ronspeak - fascinated to see what he does next.

I think the BBC has guessed right on who will take over, and the move probably happened a month or two back.

wnut · 15 Nov 2016, 23:24 (Ref:3688373)

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Originally Posted by rpolinski

That's the way the world is. Those that put all the hard work in, spending time away from there families to make a company into the automotive and technology giant it is today, thrown to the wolves by the money men.

All of the money men have an inflated sense of their own importance, and will now damage their investment in McLaren trying to prove just how important they are.
Ron needs to go and have a chat with Bernie on how to handle them.

Be interesting to see what Ron could do at Manor with $1.65Bn and his own resources and contacts.

BSchneiderFan · 16 Nov 2016, 00:06 (Ref:3688379)

Zak Brown would be a big change. This does leave Jost Capito's position looking shaky.

**GTRMagic** · 16 Nov 2016, 01:22 (Ref:3688392)

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Originally Posted by wnut

All of the money men have an inflated sense of their own importance, and will now damage their investment in McLaren trying to prove just how important they are.
Ron needs to go and have a chat with Bernie on how to handle them.

Be interesting to see what Ron could do at Manor with $1.65Bn and his own resources and contacts.

Force India might be more fun...

wnut · 16 Nov 2016, 06:14 (Ref:3688421)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Force India might be more fun...

Very good point!

**bella** · 16 Nov 2016, 11:01 (Ref:3688476)

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Originally Posted by wnut

Be interesting to see what Ron could do at Manor with $1.65Bn and his own resources and contacts.

i ship it.

knighty · 16 Nov 2016, 11:22 (Ref:3688480)

This really does not surprise me, Ron has made just too many enemies in F1, and its gone around and finally caught up with him, his war with Max Mosely effectivley resulted in the 100m$ fine when they finally got caught red handed via Alonsos e-mails, then the final straw happened when Ron tried to oust Mansor when he was in hospital having a lung transplant.......what a nice bloke - not.

Also the word Autocratic is very relevant here, Rons style of management is very much dated, I know many people that work at McLaren and they fear for their jobs on a daily basis, McLaren have this efficiency spot-light, and when they shine it upon you, it can inevitably end up in you losing your job and livelihood, as has happened to many people, you cannot manage people by fear, you must inspire, and Ron does not inspire people, he scares them. Every top designer he has ever had he has royally upset them and they left to achieve better things at other teams, Barnard and Newey to name a few.

Also the elephant in the room is the lack of a headline sponsor, a complete failure on Rons behalf.

I must say I do think Zak Brown is without a doubt the man for the job, and a shrewd move by the remaining investors. Zak occasionally takes both of his sons down to Buckmore for the MSA kart race days which we also race at with my son in cadets. He turns up with his united Autosports team, he parks his Lamborghini Aventador in the paddock, and has Terry Fullerton coaching his 2 sons, epic!....... its great to see this sort of guy turn up to a grass roots karting event, he definatley understands the sport and its commercial aspects thoroughly, which I think was Rons downfall, I can imagine he just turned off potential sponsors with his abrasive style. For sure Honda need to up their game significantly, but the McLaren chassis and team is still well below acceptable standards.

billy bleach · 16 Nov 2016, 13:33 (Ref:3688519)

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Originally Posted by rpolinski

That's the way the world is. Those that put all the hard work in, spending time away from there families to make a company into the automotive and technology giant it is today, thrown to the wolves by the money men.

Don't cry for him. The creator of the Pirahna Club who shafted Frank Williams whilst he laid in Hospital and yet claimed to be a friend and it seems did the same to long time friend Ohjie .....Live bythesword etc....

billy bleach · 16 Nov 2016, 13:38 (Ref:3688520)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Don't think for a moment that Mr Dennis didn't have a hand in his own demise... there were said to be options... and they didn't get activated...

I don't think Mr Dennis will be short of a bob..

Be nice to see him take over a small team and go again... does he have that kind of fight left in him at 69 years old?

I cannot for a moment see him "slumming it in a Poop team"!

BSchneiderFan · 16 Nov 2016, 16:23 (Ref:3688552)

But Zak Brown is already running Motorsport Network - is he likely to give that up for McLaren?

**bella** · 16 Nov 2016, 16:38 (Ref:3688559)

along the same lines, i noticed autosport.com published a very tactically timed letter from the chairman today...

wnut · 17 Nov 2016, 02:02 (Ref:3688758)

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Originally Posted by bella

i ship it.

Sorry Bella, too subtle for me, I have no idea what you mean!

Peter Windsor's take on Ron's departure - Purely Personal!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5Zhw5lK6dc

billy bleach · 20 Dec 2016, 13:45 (Ref:3697339)

Pat Symonds leaves Williams?

VIVA GT · 20 Dec 2016, 13:53 (Ref:3697341)

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Originally Posted by billy bleach

Pat Symonds leaves Williams?

Is that to make room for Paddy Lowe?

wolfhound · 20 Dec 2016, 13:58 (Ref:3697342)

My impression from a few weeks ago was that Symonds was likely to retire or take up a less taxing role somewhere else.

S griffin · 20 Dec 2016, 18:08 (Ref:3697399)

Bit of a shock, just like that Pat leaving, lot of staff have left teams in the past 12 months

knighty · 20 Dec 2016, 18:32 (Ref:3697413)

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Originally Posted by S griffin

Bit of a shock, just like that Pat leaving, lot of staff have left teams in the past 12 months

Autosport just confirmed massa back at Williams for 2017.....I bet Bernie had a hand in that, he needs a big south american driver to satisfy the biggest TV viewing audience.

P38 in workshop · 20 Dec 2016, 20:15 (Ref:3697436)

Maybe I'm a bit cynical,or as Frank Williams might say,realistic.Pat Symonds may well be stepping down from his position thats not quite the same as leaving the team and it may mean they will invent a job for him to keep him tied up until his knowledge of the new car is of no use to anybody else.His move will presumably leave a Paddy Lowe sized hole in the organisation and the cost of Mercedes engines may be substantially reduced if Mr Bottas is released to fill the Rosberg sized hole at Brackley.I can't imagine Williams will want two drivers who in F1 terms have L-plates and if Felipe Massa can overcome the embarrassment of aping Frank Sinatra,we know what comes next.

crmalcolm · 21 Dec 2016, 08:43 (Ref:3697541)

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Originally Posted by knighty

Autosport just confirmed massa back at Williams for 2017.....I bet Bernie had a hand in that, he needs a big south american driver to satisfy the biggest TV viewing audience.

Martini had a hand in it, as they need a driver over 25 for contractual reasons.

billy bleach · 21 Dec 2016, 19:02 (Ref:3697676)

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Originally Posted by VIVA GT

Is that to make room for Paddy Lowe?

Lowe seems to be the F1 version of the Dark Knight! When ever he arrives senior legends leave by the nearest exiT!

wolfhound · 11 Jan 2017, 10:06 (Ref:3701772)

Frederic Vasseur has resigned from Renault after differences with senior managment.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/38582110

I wonder what is going on behind the scences?

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