WTCC 2008 Off-season: News & Rumours - Page 4

**FIRE** · 12 Aug 2007, 18:19 (Ref:1986797)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ellmau

Why would Opel want to enter WTCC, when Chevrolet is already there?

Why did Citroen enter WRC, when Peugeot was already there? They showed it's no problem if two brands from the same company compete in the same series.

Bramzel · 12 Aug 2007, 23:17 (Ref:1987145)

Also Neve has said that the fact that Chevy is in wouldnt stop Opel.

Bramzel · 15 Aug 2007, 18:13 (Ref:1989724)

According to the last swedish Auto Motor & Sport Polestar has presented a case-study on a race-version of the C30 to Volvo, and there is interest to run it in STCC and selected WTCC races next year. Even though it's a 3-door car I say: let it come!

**FIRE** · 15 Aug 2007, 18:39 (Ref:1989746)

The C30 is a great looking car but I prefer a S40 or S60 (because they are saloons

). From a marketing point of view this is maybe a logical choice because the C30 is for a younger public.

Bramzel · 16 Aug 2007, 09:09 (Ref:1990066)

I would prefer the S40 as well, but from a marketing perspective the C30 is the best choice indeed. The S60 is too big, especially the upcoming one judging from the new V70. And the S40 is on the market for a longer time already, so it wouldn't make sense to start racing that model now, by the time it'll be competative it'll be replaced.

JMeissner · 16 Aug 2007, 09:36 (Ref:1990081)

Isn't the C30 a bit short?

Bramzel · 16 Aug 2007, 17:51 (Ref:1990336)

It's only 7cm shorter than the Leon, and exactly as long (4m25) as the Civic and Astra that drove/drive in the BTCC. Not too much out of place imho.

JMeissner · 16 Aug 2007, 18:44 (Ref:1990392)

Allright.

kmchow · 17 Aug 2007, 06:10 (Ref:1990680)

Better C30 than No Volvo. But better S40 than C30. Hands down.

the interpreter · 18 Aug 2007, 12:42 (Ref:1991267)

No, please Volvo, no C30. I love the road car, but it's not a race car for touring cars. As JMeissner says, it's too short. The next Volvo touring car must be the S40. I agree, the S60 is getting old, and it's never quite looked right with the big body and small wheels (did the 2002 silver prototype have larger wheels???)
A few years ago I did some drawings of an S40 prototype and mailed them to the Volvo CEO, but heard nothing. Trust me, it looked awesome. And it's just been facelifted, so must have three more years before replacement.
We should all contact Polestar and Volvo and advise of our displeasure with the concept of the C30 racing.
I just don't like the Super 2000 cars heading to hatches. I really do not like the Seat Leon, nor the Halfords BTCC Civic. Bring back the Accord. Is there a current Toledo?

Hazard · 18 Aug 2007, 15:52 (Ref:1991404)

Quote:

Originally Posted by the interpreter

I just don't like the Super 2000 cars heading to hatches. I really do not like the Seat Leon, nor the Halfords BTCC Civic. Bring back the Accord. Is there a current Toledo?

Sacrilege!

Err, these is a Toledo. It looks just like the Leon, but a bit taller and a Vel Satis style boot - so it's even less suitable (hence why SEAT went and developed the Leon II for the WTCC rather than the new Toledo).

Bramzel · 18 Aug 2007, 16:33 (Ref:1991428)

Quote:

Originally Posted by the interpreter

No, please Volvo, no C30. I love the road car, but it's not a race car for touring cars. As JMeissner says, it's too short. The next Volvo touring car must be the S40. I agree, the S60 is getting old, and it's never quite looked right with the big body and small wheels (did the 2002 silver prototype have larger wheels???)
A few years ago I did some drawings of an S40 prototype and mailed them to the Volvo CEO, but heard nothing. Trust me, it looked awesome. And it's just been facelifted, so must have three more years before replacement.
We should all contact Polestar and Volvo and advise of our displeasure with the concept of the C30 racing.
I just don't like the Super 2000 cars heading to hatches. I really do not like the Seat Leon, nor the Halfords BTCC Civic. Bring back the Accord. Is there a current Toledo?

Rather a C30 than nothing.... unless you have a better option for Volvo? As said, the S40 and S60 aren't really options at the moment.

Sodemo · 18 Aug 2007, 16:36 (Ref:1991432)

Touring cars today sure are ugly.

Give me saloons any day.

On reflection, the C30 looks quite nice. Certainly better than the Astra / Civic / Leon hatchback type things.

**FIRE** · 18 Aug 2007, 17:00 (Ref:1991444)

SEAT plans a new saloon.

gwyllion · 19 Aug 2007, 09:09 (Ref:1991825)

Quote:

Originally Posted by FIRE

SEAT plans a new saloon.

That will take a while. BTW it will be based on new Audi A4, so it will have a longitudinal engine layout.

**FIRE** · 19 Aug 2007, 11:18 (Ref:1991910)

Quote:

Originally Posted by gwyllion

That will take a while. BTW it will be based on new Audi A4, so it will have a longitudinal engine layout.

Which means?

When is the SEAT saloon launched? 2009?

PorscheFanNo1 · 19 Aug 2007, 15:00 (Ref:1992069)

It means that it probably wont get as good weight distibution as the engine will hang further over the front axle. The A4 in STCC should have the same problem, dont know how they have solved it?

Bramzel · 19 Aug 2007, 15:44 (Ref:1992084)

They're actually fixing that problem on the new Audi's, the engine isnt on the front axle anymore but slightly behind it. The new A5 is praised for its handling, no more nose-heavy understeering like the older Audis.

PorscheFanNo1 · 19 Aug 2007, 19:21 (Ref:1992202)

Great, didnt know that. A step in the right direction (which for once is backwards, not forwards!).

Hazard · 19 Aug 2007, 21:17 (Ref:1992301)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bramzel

They're actually fixing that problem on the new Audi's, the engine isnt on the front axle anymore but slightly behind it. The new A5 is praised for its handling, no more nose-heavy understeering like the older Audis.

Shame the A5 being a coupe can't be S2000 homologated though huh? Have to wait for the improvements to be passed on.

Bramzel · 19 Aug 2007, 22:24 (Ref:1992354)

New A4 will be presented on the IAA next month though

duke_toaster · 23 Aug 2007, 10:46 (Ref:1994996)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bramzel

It's only 7cm shorter than the Leon, and exactly as long (4m25) as the Civic and Astra that drove/drive in the BTCC. Not too much out of place imho.

The Astra Sport Hatch is BTC-Touring (and currently used by Erkut).

Bramzel · 23 Aug 2007, 12:39 (Ref:1995079)

Does that make a difference to its lenght?

PorscheFanNo1 · 23 Aug 2007, 15:14 (Ref:1995167)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bramzel

Does that make a difference to its lenght?

The fact that its driven by Erkut makes the car longer actually. For you who knows your Invariant Theory should know what I mean.

duke_toaster · 23 Aug 2007, 20:38 (Ref:1995402)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bramzel

Does that make a difference to its lenght?

The fact that the EK drives one? No - but the length rules might be affectc because it's BTC-T.

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