ALMS 2012 rumour entry list . - Page 4

**joeb** · 22 Dec 2011, 02:17 (Ref:3002995)

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Originally Posted by JAG

Two Level 5 HPD's confirmed.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...web9058130.DTL

That is good to see in writing. Although why does the San Francisco paper care about the team?

AGD · 22 Dec 2011, 02:21 (Ref:3002996)

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Originally Posted by joeb

That is good to see in writing. Although why does the San Francisco paper care about the team?

They probably don't. They probably rehash a bunch of press releases that are sent to them.

The Badger · 22 Dec 2011, 08:53 (Ref:3003054)

Im happy that Level 5 took the decision to stay at home and support their own series . They should expect some good results there , and be part of the championship with their new machinery .

Great news for ALMS too . What does the latest entry list look like now ?

Salamus · 22 Dec 2011, 11:44 (Ref:3003142)

P1

Muscle Milk Honda
Dyson Racing Lola?
Dyson Racing Lola?
Dyson/Oryx Racing Lola?
Drayson?????

P2

Level 5 Honda
Level 5 Honda
Conquest OAK
Black Swan OAK/Lola?
Libra Racing Radical SR-9?
Newman/Hass?
United Autosports?
Dempsey Racing?

LMPC

PR1/Mathiasen Racing
Genoa Racing
Genoa Racing?
Core Autosport
Core Autosport
Performance tech
Dempsey Racing
Muscle Milk Racing
Bar 1 Motorsport

GTE

Flying Lizards 997
Flying Lizards 997
Corvette Racing C6GT2
Corvette Racing C6GT2
BMW RLL E92
BMW RLL E92
Falken Racing 997
Extreme Motorsports 458
Extreme Motorsports 458
Paul Miller Racing 997
Jaguar RSR XKR?
Jaguar RSR XKR?
Robertson Racing Ford GT?
Risi Competizione 458?
Lotus?
GMG Audi R8 GTE?

GTC

Global Motorsports Group 997 (or not, if they do a full GTE program)
Green Hornet Racing 997
Alex Job Racing 997
JDX Racing 997
NGT Motorsport 997
Magnus Racing 997? (some rounds?)
The Racer's Group 997?
The Racer's Group 997? (Sebring is go for GTC, so they should be in.)

Did I miss anything?

lms · 22 Dec 2011, 12:15 (Ref:3003155)

im curious where that drayson rumor came from.

Level 5 is expected to be at the sebring winter test right?

Fogelhund · 22 Dec 2011, 15:46 (Ref:3003232)

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Originally Posted by lms

im curious where that drayson rumor came from.

A blog completely fabricated a story that Drayson was coming to the ALMS. It is false, won't happen.

Expect

Cytosport
Dyson x1, second is possible, though no details announced.
I'd expect 3 cars on the grid.

LMP2
Level 5, Conquest, Black Swan

Possibly Newman/Haas Lola, the others are doubtful.

The Badger · 22 Dec 2011, 15:51 (Ref:3003235)

They should scrap P1 class and just have P2 .

Fogelhund · 22 Dec 2011, 15:57 (Ref:3003240)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

They should scrap P1 class and just have P2 .

Just after two teams buy all new LMP1 equipment? (3 cars apparently)

lms · 22 Dec 2011, 16:03 (Ref:3003243)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

They should scrap P1 class and just have P2 .

...from 2014 onwards XD

damn, I wish this lmp2 momentum we have right now would continue in all three championships

lms · 22 Dec 2011, 18:11 (Ref:3003281)

mm at le mans. please let them race there next year

I want to see the MM hpd at La Sarthe.

http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...o-lm24-return/

JAG · 22 Dec 2011, 20:02 (Ref:3003329)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

They should scrap P1 class and just have P2 .

I think you have to wait another twelve months, P2 is gathering interest and could have a healthy field by 2013, but Muscle Milk and Dyson purchasing new cars can only be viewed as a show of faith by those with an eye on P1.

Rodger Davies · 22 Dec 2011, 20:03 (Ref:3003330)

with all this new equipment sold, I suspect the most likely compromise for future years would be a combined class such as 2010. But only with their consent and obviously not this year.

JAG · 22 Dec 2011, 20:21 (Ref:3003342)

What needs to be considered is P2's selling point is cost-capping, limitations on technology, engine life, Pro/Am drivers etc., P1's the other extreme, it's very different to the R10 vs RS Spyder rivalry.

Combining the LMP field could improve the entertainment short-term, but at the same time are you cutting off the very appeal that attracted Black Swan, and a potential new source of LMP teams.

Victor_RO · 22 Dec 2011, 20:22 (Ref:3003343)

Scratch one off the P1 list, Oryx moves to GT in Grand-Am with the R8.

gwyllion · 22 Dec 2011, 20:30 (Ref:3003348)

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAG

Combining the LMP field could improve the entertainment short-term, but at the same time are you cutting off the very appeal that attracted Black Swan, and a potential new source of LMP teams.

Indeed and the teams that just bought a shining new LMP1 car, will not like when cost-capped LMP2s can suddenly race for overall victory

JAG · 22 Dec 2011, 20:36 (Ref:3003354)

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Originally Posted by Victor_RO

Scratch one off the P1 list, Oryx moves to GT in Grand-Am with the R8.

It's been said Dyson's second car was unrelated to Oryx.

Jonerz · 22 Dec 2011, 20:38 (Ref:3003356)

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Originally Posted by Victor_RO

Scratch one off the P1 list, Oryx moves to GT in Grand-Am with the R8.

I wonder if better exposure would have kept Oryx in? It doesn't seem like it, as they are unsponsored. Just seems that Humaid just didn't want to spend the big money anymore.

Chris

Salamus · 22 Dec 2011, 20:47 (Ref:3003361)

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I wonder if better exposure would have kept Oryx in? It doesn't seem like it, as they are unsponsored. Just seems that Humaid just didn't want to spend the big money anymore.

I think his decision definitely was based on money. If he wanted a chance to win, he would have stayed in the ALMS, however, he moved to grand am which is a lot less cheaper but more competitive.

extramundane · 22 Dec 2011, 20:58 (Ref:3003368)

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Originally Posted by Jonerz

I wonder if better exposure would have kept Oryx in? It doesn't seem like it, as they are unsponsored. Just seems that Humaid just didn't want to spend the big money anymore.

Chris

Unless he's just leasing the R8, I'd guess he's spending as much as or more than he did to rent the Dyson Lola.

Jonerz · 22 Dec 2011, 20:58 (Ref:3003369)

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Originally Posted by Salamus

I think his decision definitely was based on money. If he wanted a chance to win, he would have stayed in the ALMS, however, he moved to grand am which is a lot less cheaper but more competitive.

Certainly Grand-Am GT is deeper than ALMS P1. And I also want to correct myself, they now have Barrett-Jackson on-board as a sponsor, but I imagine splitting the bill between BJ and Humaid they still couldn't reach suitable P1 funding. Also BJ is on the network Grand-Am is broadcast on, good opportunity for marketing there...

So much for Le Mans being an unmatched draw.

Chris

EDIT: @extra: I don't know the numbers, but money was the motivating factor. Also, he will own the R8, and assuming it gets homologated, he can run Sebring, Petit and any ALMS rounds he chooses in addition to Daytona and the Grand-Am schedule in 2013.

gwyllion · 22 Dec 2011, 21:08 (Ref:3003372)

John Dagys acknowledges that money was a deciding factor:

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Originally Posted by @johndagys

@BKaczmarek A season of GA GT is cheaper than ALMS + LM in a LMP1 car. Heard money had a lot to do with it.

FordCosworthPanoz · 22 Dec 2011, 21:29 (Ref:3003375)

Cheaper, deeper field, and more television time. Any of these, although I think money had the most to do with it, or all of them combined could have been the reason.

The question now is who occupies the second Dyson car in 2012 if there is one. The last thing the ALMS needs is to lose another LMP1 car.

Fogelhund · 22 Dec 2011, 22:19 (Ref:3003388)

I'm just throwing this out there, but I wonder if the potential second Dyson entry might be McMurray and Graham?

AGD · 22 Dec 2011, 23:49 (Ref:3003408)

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Originally Posted by FordCosworthPanoz

The question now is who occupies the second Dyson car in 2012 if there is one. The last thing the ALMS needs is to lose another LMP1 car.

Dyson is taking Jay Cochran back on-board the #16 car for 2012 so it would seem that Dyson isn't full of cash exactly. My guess is that they are trying to woo more pay drivers.

As for Oryx, you have to wonder if he was at all cheesed about what went down at Laguna. Given that Dyson is doing the same thing in 2012 that they did in 2011 with Cochran, maybe he did not want to go down that route again.

Canada ALMS fan · 23 Dec 2011, 01:07 (Ref:3003422)

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Originally Posted by AGD

As for Oryx, you have to wonder if he was at all cheesed about what went down at Laguna. Given that Dyson is doing the same thing in 2012 that they did in 2011 with Cochran, maybe he did not want to go down that route again.

Anyone else thinking that although Masaood will do Grand Am he may perhaps also be some of the rumoured funding Dyson has/is targeting for a Le Mans assault?

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