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I wasn't suggesting eith r way about negligence - besides, that would have to be proven in court, it isn;t something which can be dismissed simply by the promoter saying 'I wasn't negligent'.
The bottom line though is that, AFAICR, in general motor racing (remove drags from the equation) no one has actually gotten to court to prove one way or the other whether the court will dismiss an action based purely on the 'disclaimer' on tickets and entry to the circuit(s) |
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QR's days may be numbered
According to what I've heard on the grapevine it appears Queensland Raceways days could well and truely be numbered with every possibility of the V8's not returning in 2011 and onwards due to the 2 severe accidents that occured over the weekend.
Saturday saw 2 spectators and Kain Magro (mini driver) all taken to hospital, however Sunday saw a female mini driver barrel roll her mini into a tyre bundle at high speed at turn 6 and was taken to hospital with several injuries. |
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If true that would be a ridiculous overreaction on V8SA part. A departure motivated by other factors aside from circuit safety.
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4 May 2010, 06:45 (Ref:2684073) | #82 | ||
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Highly unlikely the Mini problems would cause VE$A to stop going to QR.
More likely is the fact that the track promotor stands up to VE$A and their demands. Besides if they walk away from QR where are the Queensland based teams going to test and lose their home track advantage. |
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“Do I think the track has deteriorated over the years that we have been here? Yes. Does it need an upgrade? Yes. Whether that is going to happen, I don’t know,” said Lowndes. Craig Lowndes and 2/3rds of pit lane apparently share the akin thoughts about Queensland Raceway. |
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Friday Pratice: Mini Challenge Car 19 left the track and contacted the wall at turn six Saturday Race : Mini flipped on track , slid on its roof, dug in and barreled rolled across the gravel trap and over the spectator fence. Sunday race: Mini left track at turn six,and slid into the wall and rolled onto it's roof. From Fri: Nil Injuries From Sat: Driver and two spectators taken to hospital. Driver and one spectator released, other spectator remained for further treatment. From Sunday: Driver taken to hospital for checks, ok and returned to cicuit. As for the V8's it has nothing to do with minor categorys. F/F, Mx5 heaps more still run at this track regulary. Yes it neeeds someTLC, but nothing to do with the mini crashes. So in fact there was three Mini incidents. Two ran of the track and slid into the wall, on flipped on the track and barrel rolled into the spectator area. better check the grape vine again. cheers |
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Who hosted this years Event at QR? VESA Does VESA fall under CAMS.? Yes Do minor categories come under VESA due to hosting the event.? Yes Does minor categories and VESA fall under CAMS.? Yes CAMS haven't started there own investigation into the mini crashes yet but they will. |
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valid points, but there was three crashes, most only speak of two, yes minor cats under cams, but same type of cars race there as well. As do at other tracks. So maybe CAMS and AASA should share info on any related incidents. I agree with your points. |
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Did any of the cars involved in the rollover touch the drive wheels together? I think they may have done an open wheeler style mount, if it started in the same way that the Bathurst crash did. The plastic wheel arches do nothing except increase BMW's bank account when the drivers need to buy new ones, as the bubblegum holding them on came loose... |
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I'm not convinced that's the case. The sort of fence they have around Silverstone for instance ought to stop a Mini head on - I've seen a Lister GT car land on it at fairly significant speed and altitude and it dealt with that OK. Trouble is, it also stops photography from behind it and spoils the view.
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It wasn't a freak accident, it happens a couple of times, every year or so, across the world. The almost freak thing about the accident is the spinning by the authorities claiming it never happen before. If you believe otherwise, do more research...
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After The Rat's two crashes at Bathurst, its hard to have faith in the ability of CAMs to approve and licence a circuit. The way the mini was launched into the crowd, it probably would have cleared basic catch fencing. If circuits want to have low fences around the track, its plain dumb to put spectator areas in the obviously more dangerous parts of a track. On the tv footage, the run off area looked a bit short, should it be longer? Roof flaps - could also help. Never understood why FIA series cars don't use them to help with airborne crashes. After the PI turn one crash, the FIA high speed barriers and similar tyre wall constructions were discussed on here. There are also things like tyre wall inserts which absorb more impact which were not in use. The tyre wall tyres, didn't look like they were not banded together, and there also didn't look like there was a convey belt mounted on the front of them. Surely there should be a tyre wall barrier (or FIA high speed barrier) in front of the main barrier? The mini might have cleared one or both, but it wouldn't have travelled so far. The point is maybe you can slow the car before it hits the main barrier. Possibly might help to have high barrier at the most dangerous areas of the track. The last thing that needs to happen is for CAMs to bury its head in the sand. Last edited by TWRv12; 4 May 2010 at 19:53. |
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Think about your storm water drains - they are usually designed for the once in a hundred years rain storm. Unfortunately no one really knows what this amounts to - so when the deluge really hits, the media label it the Once in a Hundred (or Thousand) year storm - and the drains can't take it. Would you suggest that all drains then be ripped up and upgraded to take account of the storm that, in all likelihood, will either not happen again for a hundred or more yearss or possibly even never? And I guess you would be prepared to pay higher rates/taxes if they did this? Same applies to the race tracks. Its all about playing the odds, whether we like it or not. And sometime, just sometime, the odds go the way you don't like them and couldn't predict. |
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You will the type of fencing used at QLD raceway is used at Nz tracks - Timaru for instance.
But Minis tend to roll at at a drop of a hat.... And normally don't stop till they hit something hard I.e. a concrete wall but to see one jump over the wall and the fance was something I've never seen in all of my years as an offical. |
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Two separate issues however it seems V8SA will attempt to leverage the unfortunate events of last Saturday to push its own case of holding QR to ransom. |
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How do you suspect we can overcome flying cars clearing the barriers? 100 feet high fences? A roof?
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BTW - with that - care to put dates (just a year will do) on them all for us so we can see that these 'common occurrences' have all happened in the recent past (let's define recent as the last 12 months....) |
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