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The problem is that the organizers are too scared of saying big NO to these whiners... for example, we can blame FIA and ACO all we want for implementing new costly regulations and updates all the time but they don't stop every time someone starts to complain about the changes. If ICS just stood up and forced the issue we could actually move on.
By this rate the aero kits will be introduced by late 2018, just in time to become horribly outdated before the next iteration of spec-Dallara hits the track. |
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Here again "I told ya so".
Can't remember how many people said my free market economics were BS and that the cost savings were going to be there for this single make car where production is held and controlled by the speedway and dallara(who are in cahoots with one another), but it was quite a few people here. And those posters were dead wrong. They said freedom in competition would never work, it was too expensive, too costly and well it was quite the opposite. Now it's boo hoo hoo, but they'll just have to take their medicine and enjoy their totalitarian product forced down their throats, a very mediocre and half baked product at best(by dallara's admission too). The car is a piece of junk. How bad is it in this modern era with amazing design technology and knowledge that you'd have to stick a 30 pound nose plug of lead in the nose of an open wheel formula car to keep the car somewhat stable? Also in CART, not every team bought new cars every year, the ones not used up were passed down to smaller teams so they could run a year old car on a smaller budget and also to expand the field back when the Indy 500 existed as a real race with competition and pole day and bump day that actually attracted a crowd. |
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That's why everyone was almost 100% positive dallara would win back in 2010 and that the whole "committee" and vote was a complete and utter fraud of epic proportions. So whatever cuts into dallara's margins also cuts into the speedways cut and we can't have that. It's why ganassi and penske are not as smart as they think they are. Yes they did pillage CART and make out on the short term, such as dumping CART stock, but now everyone is in the gulag where teams have no say at all. They can complain but have no control. The team owners from CART were idiots. They exchange a stake in ownership or as a franchise holder in CART for absolutely nothing in the irl. You look at how successful V8 Supercars or F1 is and it's because the teams have a stake in the success of the business and they have a say. Not a total say, but some say and a share in the profits. |
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I assume you would have a link to these public revelations??
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I agree 110% percent with Moutainstar, as I have most of my time on this forum. I don't post often, because after a while I get depressed about how great the racing use to be during the C.A.R.T era.
Perhaps these morons should read this book, but I'm guessing reading is not in their list of hobbies. http://mises.org/document/2031 I'm reading it right now, and it's opened my eyes to the wisdom of Austrian Economics. If they continue to do business the way they are now, this series is doomed. Thankfully when this series dies something new and much more modern will take its place and I for one am very excited that it will be in my life time. |
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CART = socialism. Strong* revolutionary committee keeping costs down and tech low - Socialist but not communist, traders still trade business is done but state keeps things regulated. See europe 1970-2000 for further study [ Europe today is going soviet, imo]
IRL single make championship. soviet union, north korea. Pie-in-the-sky society ran by a deluded dictator with an iron fist. badly run tryanny. Formula Schumacher = Free trade. The conglomerates move in and price everyone into oblivion. E.g Ikea Furniture Megastore kills off the small trader. *well, kinda strong |
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The CART philosophy was massive state intervention [the rules] enforcing a low-cost, low-tech environment. F1 is unbridled capitalism before Mosley put his foot down. I'm being somewhat humorous but my point is correct.
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On second thoughts, its probably more social democracy than socialism. Heavy state regulation but no direct price controls..etc
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Some posters seem to be forgetting it is 2012, not 1994 (and seem to conveniently CART ran itself into oblivion in 2003)
We have what we have, lets get on with it. |
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We all know what happened to CART it morphed into Champ Car but the IRL were never able capitalise on CART's downfall.
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It can't match CART but I'd dearly love to see AOWR get out of the rut it's in.
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The references to CART are more than mere nostalgia. It's a formulae that did well, technically, was racey and popular. It attracted a roll-call of stars that challenged F1.
So making comparisons between the CART boom and Indycar's attempt to revive itself today is both intuitive and unavoidable even if such thinking only goes so far. |
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A shame there is such negativity - the racing has been fantastic this year.
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