GM gone by the end of the month? - Page 4

peckstar · 27 Apr 2009, 22:30 (Ref:2451115)

seems to be confirmed in this missmash of an article

RotorFan · 28 Apr 2009, 00:23 (Ref:2451177)

So Vauxhall is pulling out of the BTCC at the end of the year...

Oldtony · 28 Apr 2009, 04:54 (Ref:2451247)

The Pontiac G8 and GXR cancellation takes around 30,000 off the Commodore production line. The Middle East, (Dubai, Abu Dahbi, Qatar and Bahrain) is experiencing a major slow down so sales there will not be bouyant. That basically leaves Australia and NNZ as the sole markets for a V6/V8 rwd platform. Doubt if local sales would now justify development of a replacement and I can't think of anywhere in the world that is looking for that sort of platform for a bulk selling car.
It might take a while but it seems to suggest that this is terminal for Commodore. Probably terminal for manufacturer backing for V8SC. Can the series keep going as a sort of NASCAR type sillouette formula?

mountainstar · 28 Apr 2009, 05:06 (Ref:2451252)

Well if business comes back to life, then who knows the G8 may end up as a Chevy.

Rob Bailey · 28 Apr 2009, 05:26 (Ref:2451257)

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Originally Posted by Oldtony

The Pontiac G8 and GXR cancellation takes around 30,000 off the Commodore production line. The Middle East, (Dubai, Abu Dahbi, Qatar and Bahrain) is experiencing a major slow down so sales there will not be bouyant. That basically leaves Australia and NNZ as the sole markets for a V6/V8 rwd platform. Doubt if local sales would now justify development of a replacement and I can't think of anywhere in the world that is looking for that sort of platform for a bulk selling car.
It might take a while but it seems to suggest that this is terminal for Commodore. Probably terminal for manufacturer backing for V8SC. Can the series keep going as a sort of NASCAR type sillouette formula?

once the bean counters get involved the series will die.

touring fan01 · 28 Apr 2009, 07:30 (Ref:2451314)

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Originally Posted by Rob Bailey

once the bean counters get involved the series will die.

The series won't die. It just won't have any significant manufacturer involvement.

And that's not all bad.

bluesport · 28 Apr 2009, 08:09 (Ref:2451345)

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Originally Posted by touring fan01

The series won't die. It just won't have any significant manufacturer involvement.

And that's not all bad.

That may be true, afterall sports sedans don't have manufacturer involvement and they haven't died.

touring fan01 · 28 Apr 2009, 08:20 (Ref:2451360)

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Originally Posted by bluesport

That may be true, afterall sports sedans don't have manufacturer involvement and they haven't died.

As long as there are good strong teams and the racing is good, then "Mr & Mrs Average" wouldn't know or care if Holden or Ford are not writing out cheques to some teams. They watch the racing, not the invoices.

mountainstar · 29 Apr 2009, 01:48 (Ref:2451921)

Well for the first six or seven years of the V8 formula from 1993, they never really had that much manufacturer financial support anyways.

I don't think V8 Supercars is as much about the particular model of car as it is a marketing exercise.

Amaroo Park · 29 Apr 2009, 07:13 (Ref:2451991)

With Pontiac now gone and massive restructure on the cards then I dont think anything could be ruled, I know some people who work for Holden and they are seriously worried at the moment something I have not heard from them in all the years I have know them

MPA · 30 Apr 2009, 09:44 (Ref:2452735)

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Originally Posted by Oldtony

Can the series keep going as a sort of NASCAR type sillouette formula?

You mean its not a sort of NASCAR type silloutte formula now?

**GTRMagic** · 1 May 2009, 13:56 (Ref:2453625)

Chrysler to Chapter 11

There is a real issue here... with the US Government basically telling the shareholders their stake is worthless... good luck to their superannuation funds or banks or whoever holds shares in Chrysler, they are now worthless. Cerberus must be very pleased too

If you did something like this in Australia, where a new legal entity is created, and the assets of value are thrown into the new legal entity, and the old one is left to fend for itself... everyone would be up in arms!!

Actually it happened at least twice in motorsport this decade...

I dont think the GM solution will be as neat and tidy as this!

Amaroo Park · 1 May 2009, 23:51 (Ref:2453907)

Would be interesting to know of what is going on in the back ground. I wonder if GMH will be split from GM and put up for sale ASAP to try and get some cash through, has to be remebered too that GMH is the major shareholder of Daewoo.

touring fan01 · 2 May 2009, 00:20 (Ref:2453918)

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Originally Posted by Amaroo Park

has to be remebered too that GMH is the major shareholder of Daewoo.

No..... General Motors owns 100% of Daewoo.
Holden certainly doesn't.

Pro Racer · 2 May 2009, 00:44 (Ref:2453927)

was watching ch 10 late news the day that GM axed Pontiac and they did a report on jobs at Holden because of it and Holden saying it won't cost jobs but right at the end it said Holden believe they are capable of survival even if GM colapse. being a Holden fan i hope this is the case but i find it hard to believe.

dirtymacca · 2 May 2009, 02:37 (Ref:2453952)

FIAT are sniffing around Opel to try and get more European market share. If they acquire them and Chrysler it will make them the world's second largest auto manufacturer...maybe they have eyes on GMH as well...they seem cashed up at the moment.

xrystl · 2 May 2009, 07:55 (Ref:2454001)

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Originally Posted by dirtymacca

FIAT are sniffing around Opel to try and get more European market share. If they acquire them and Chrysler it will make them the world's second largest auto manufacturer...maybe they have eyes on GMH as well...they seem cashed up at the moment.

All fiat has is RED ink - Fiat and Opel are in direct competition with each other in Europe so if Fiat did aquire Opel it would result in a major loss of jobs - the only manufacturer in the Fiat empire that is in the black is Ferrari . Fiat just reported a loss of $1bn on top of all it's borrowings.

touring fan01 · 2 May 2009, 08:15 (Ref:2454014)

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Originally Posted by dirtymacca

FIAT are sniffing around Opel to try and get more European market share. If they acquire them and Chrysler it will make them the world's second largest auto manufacturer...maybe they have eyes on GMH as well...they seem cashed up at the moment.

Fiat are not 'acquiring' anyone. All they are doing are 'alliances' to share engineering, product platforms and sales outlets etc.

They are not putting any serious money into Chrysler (or Opel if it happens) - they haven't got the spare funds to do so. It's purely an alliance, not an acquisition or merger, whereby they will receive a percentage of the company in return for sharing their product & engineering etc.

In Chrysler's case that is a good deal as it gives them access to some good small-car engineering & technology. In Opel's case I can't see the purpose, apart from Fiat stealing some market share off them (as was pointed out above).

xrystl · 2 May 2009, 09:09 (Ref:2454032)

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Originally Posted by touring fan01

Fiat are not 'acquiring' anyone. All they are doing are 'alliances' to share engineering, product platforms and sales outlets etc.

In Chrysler's case that is a good deal as it gives them access to some good small-car engineering & technology. In Opel's case I can't see the purpose, apart from Fiat stealing some market share off them (as was pointed out above).

Chrysler need major help - they just don't make anything that the public want and haven't for years - the PT has been axed a(Chrysler Neon with a different body) and sold at a loss - the Voyager (nice style) with agricultural handling and architecture - the 300 (with MB input) was smart quite a few years ago and is now dated and with no replacement in sight . Fiat has a poor reputation for flawed products world wide for many years , their vehicles were always exciting to drive but let down by extremely poor quality control , strange seating positions and built in body rust (includes Alfa Romeo) - If they do, do some sort of merger , I don't know who will be the winner out of it !!!!!

touring fan01 · 2 May 2009, 09:45 (Ref:2454040)

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Originally Posted by xrystl

Fiat has a poor reputation for flawed products world wide for many years , their vehicles were always exciting to drive but let down by extremely poor quality control , strange seating positions and built in body rust (includes Alfa Romeo) - If they do, do some sort of merger , I don't know who will be the winner out of it !!!!!

Fiat HAD a poor reputation for quality etc. - but not in recent years. Those days are long gone. Their current cars are amongst the class best, which is why their sales and market-share have hugely increased of late.

touring fan01 · 2 May 2009, 09:46 (Ref:2454041)

Quote:

Originally Posted by xrystl

Fiat has a poor reputation for flawed products world wide for many years , their vehicles were always exciting to drive but let down by extremely poor quality control , strange seating positions and built in body rust (includes Alfa Romeo) - If they do, do some sort of merger , I don't know who will be the winner out of it !!!!!

Fiat HAD a poor reputation for quality etc. - but not in recent years. Those days are gone. Their current cars are amongst the class best, which is why their sales and market-share and have hugely increased.

Edit: Oops - double-posted this!!

Chris - Melb · 12 May 2009, 00:13 (Ref:2460538)

All the talk about Holden engaging 888 to run HRT could become less relevant at the moment, if this suggestion of the real possibility of General Motors putting Holden into bankruptcy turns out to be true:

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell.../homepage/home

Or go direct to the article here:http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...2575B3007B5C2A

cavvy · 12 May 2009, 10:12 (Ref:2460756)

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...4-2702,00.html

Scope for the spin doctor, tough on the knuckledraggers !!

Chris - Melb · 30 May 2009, 00:06 (Ref:2471924)

Please don't shoot me for being slightly off topic, but I am sure many would be interested to see that this iconic Holden TV ad...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4Ic3RqPIJo

...is a takeoff of at Chevrolet advertisement

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rYXmWY9HY4

I think the Holden ad has a better ring to it though.

Holden may need to wheel this advert out again to restore confidence, assuming they survive in some form.

mountainstar · 30 May 2009, 00:34 (Ref:2471941)

Oh I think they'll survive. In what form? we'll find out soon.

This was one of my favorites and probably one of the best car commercials ever:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJf9Q...eature=related

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