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5 Jun 2015, 16:59 (Ref:3545262) | #76 | |
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No, that won't be BMW.
A big company like BMW surely has a longer process to make such fundamental decisions. It's either somebody else, or no one. Remember last year, the rumors of the big LMP1 reveal on race day that possibly was supposed to be Ferrari and then turned out to be..nothing? People too easily get excited about stuff this time of year... If BMW would announce such a project they would probably do it in Munich too. I remember when they gave DTM the go ahead it was a big thing with the board members present and stuff. |
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I am sure you are right Acid but one can dream?
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Altough, if there is an invitation shouldn't it also say who is keeping the event? Learnings from past two announcents: either completely out of the blue (Porsche) or event known and made official well in advance (Nissan). |
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5 Jun 2015, 17:11 (Ref:3545272) | #79 | |
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Sure, it would be great. But the problem with dreams is that you'll wake up at one point
I'd love to see it happen but BMW really isn't a company to make rash decisions with respect to their racing. It has been only a few weeks since they were first rumored to possibly evaluate the option and now they're already announcing what would be their biggest racing programme since entering F1 in 1999? Does not feel like their usual style of doing things. Also, when was the last time a manufacturer actually launched a LMP works effort on location at Le Mans? I can't remember anything like that in the past 15 years. Manufacturers usually make that part of a corporate event they can fully control. Ford at least has their presence there to work from but BMW does have nothing going on in Le Mans this year, no presence whatsoever. Hard to imagine them announcing such a fundamental program with just a press conference and no way to do further marketing on the spot. It's probably a privateer LMP1 project looking for some press...and good for them too |
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This is the original story: http://sportscar365.com/lemans/leman...t-for-le-mans/ And I guess this was Dagys' "explanation" in the end: http://sportscar365.com/lemans/leman...iday-notebook/ ***While a senior-level Ferrari source had confirmed an announcement from the Italian manufacturer was due to take place at Le Mans this weekend, it’s understood those plans have been delayed. The ACO has stated no LMP1 manufacturer announcement is scheduled, while the organizers are in talks with two to three candidates for a possible Garage 56 entry in 2015. Ferrari, meanwhile, has yet to formally comment on its widely believed LMP1 factory program. |
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5 Jun 2015, 17:25 (Ref:3545276) | #82 | |
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Hm, okay. That is a bit thin indeed..
Still, the whole timeline makes no sense for me w.r.t. BMW. On the other hand, if they are really eying 2017, they would need to get going quickly. Because 1 1/5 years is little time to develop a competitive LMP1 car. I still don't buy it, in all likelyhood it will be Glickenhaus. The whole setup (announcing a Le Mans with no visible presence beforehand (unlike Ford now)) just screams small-time to me. Manufacturers act differently. |
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5 Jun 2015, 21:19 (Ref:3545343) | #83 | |
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Maybe its a program thats been in the works and we havent heard about it? Id like for this to be true, and it being bmw, but I expect nothing.
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5 Jun 2015, 21:22 (Ref:3545346) | #84 | |
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When does the timeline begin? This could have been on the table for years for all we know. Did we foresee the Porsche P1 announcement? The 2014 debut of the car was announced in a YouTube video in 2011 and as I recall nobody really saw it coming.
Not saying you are wrong, it would indeed be to good to be true. I just don't see BMW sending brass out to WEC events early on a timeline rather than after a period of watching from afar. |
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By timeline I mean that Jens Marquardt publicly said the current LMP1 regs really don't do it for them just recently.
I doubt this would have been said this way if they had plans to announce a program just weeks later. I'm not sure about Porsche but I remember there were rumors for quite a while, with the (then-new) CEO starting to talk about how important Le Mans is for Porsche etc. |
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5 Jun 2015, 21:35 (Ref:3545353) | #86 | ||
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Maybe since Jens made the public statement he has gotten an inside look at the new regulations and he and the BMW brass are now satisfied with the direction the ACO intends to take the LMP class in 2017 to suit what they want to accomplish...anything is possible. We will see soon enough.
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BMW had good increase in profit last year(steady increase since 2011, 2014=5,798,000 2013=5,303,000 2012=5,085,000 2011=4,881,000. These numbers are in thousands of Euros, so it means 5,8 billions in 2014), so Mercedes glory run on F1 beating wees like Fiat and Renault(both not even in top 10 car makers) is nothing to worry BMW profits on the region of 6 billion Euros while the likes of Fiat/Chrysler are a far cry from that: Quote:
I think it's Mercedes that has to rethink it's F1 program as it's not helping much in their finance even with this strike of good results, which, btw, are very uncharacteristic of them http://www.daimler.com/investor-rela...of-income-loss Their net income was 8,7 billlion in 2013 and decreased to 7,2 in 2014. With that all said, I think it will be either nothing(most likely) or Glickenhaus Last edited by Artur; 6 Jun 2015 at 07:12. |
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6 Jun 2015, 19:21 (Ref:3545617) | #90 | |
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Hang on there, current 2015 DTM standings are: 1. Audi 265 points, 2. Mercedes 91 points, 3. BMW 48 points. And you know the N24 is currently very much in the Z4's favor because of the Nordschleife's enforced speed limits.
But, yeah, this appears to be more a privateer than of a manufacturer like BMW. |
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BMW didn't start very good this year but Wittman is the reigning champion and Farfus was runner's up, the year before. Mercedes has been easily the worst team of the past few DTM seasons
On topic, when will we know who are the manufacturers coming in? |
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7 Jun 2015, 11:52 (Ref:3545774) | #92 | |
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Not sure how you'd begin to answer this. We won't know until we're told.
All announcements are different. Some seemingly come out of the blue like Porsche. Others are long-rumoured open secrets like this upcoming Ford GTE. Some manufacturers like Nissan are open about their intentions. Others will deny everything until the moment they announce. |
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That's a reality check for sure. Whoever is going to announce what on Friday, it surely won't be BMW.
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Makes you wonder if there actually is a second announcement on Friday - have I missed something or has this only come from the one source so far? |
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The LMP1 announcement does not have to be a manufacturer.
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It's most likely Glickenhaus really. |
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Thank you - I missed Sam Collins' confirmation. I agree on Glickenhaus, or perhaps a current P2 team/manufacturer stepping up to P1. Did Oak ever completely stop work on their P1 car...?
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This is more than likely not an announcement from BMW but I still feel as though eventually BMW will join the P1 ranks to promote its 'I' technology.
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9 Jun 2015, 19:29 (Ref:3546618) | #100 | ||
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Apine and Ford have both a website with a countdown
There are a double presentation, GTE and LMP1 this friday Piece of cake |
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