Historic Racers In Europe - Carnet Requirements?

[Peter Mallett]

Good stuff although you should try Paulaner.
How does the border closure affect you?

[Newall Andy]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

Good stuff although you should try Paulaner.
How does the border closure affect you?

I’ll let you all know when I get there.. permanent new resident of France ?

[Gerard C]

If you have no paper, are a criminal in your own country, are very agressive, look stupid and never even consider working, we have something for you. The name of this ultra advanced program is "Be my guest" ! You'll have a free hotel room, many rights, you'll be made citizen of honor de la culotte bleue and have pocket money and the police will never ever bother you. An it can last at least ten years…

[terence]

Sounds just like you live in the UK Gerard.

[Duddha]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

Having read the advice in post 62 (thanks again Louis), what happens if the car is not road registered and/or has only a bill of sale as proof of ownership, but is being towed by a private individual? Also whilst spares and consumables must be listed for the vehicle, what about tools?

Just did a quick search and found this company https://www.ata-carnet.uk/eu/. There are others including the Birmingham CoC, so I may try to determine the costs for my MG to use as an example.

Peter, this would fall under ATA carnet and certain spares too, consumables as detailed in my post and so on but I cannot answer all, I'm not a freight agent either, we work with them and I have done a fair bit of research but best is to contact one.

[MGDavid]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

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Just did a quick search and found this company https://www.ata-carnet.uk/eu/. There are others including the Birmingham CoC, so I may try to determine the costs for my MG to use as an example.

I found that website last week too. Couldn't help wondering if MSUK had spoken to them as they are less than half a mile down the road from them in Colnbrook!

[Peter Mallett]

Doubtful.

[Newall Andy]

First problem returning to the UK....
Had my COVID test in Germany this morning. The real deal where they shove the stick up your nose and into your left lung, well it felt like it.
Emailed me the negative result within 20 mins, perfect.
Arrived at the euro tunnel on the french side... non !!
Must be written in french, Spanish or English.
What kind of united Europe is that !!!!
I’m so glad we are out.

[Newall Andy]

Right...
COVID test translated to English. Straight through customs.
Didn’t ask where I had been, what I had been doing, why the Cobra was in the trailer, who’s it was, what was the value, why did I have spare wheels in the van. Nobody gave a flying **** throughout the whole trip.
Make of that what you will guys
A.

[Peter Mallett]

[Python]You lucky, lucky *******! [/Python]

Glad it all went reasonably well. Now, can you sort out Rudernst's mate's truck please?

[midgetman]

Glad it was easier than everyone feared. Did you have any paperwork if they'd been wanting to prod further?

There's an article here about it all:

http://www.autoaddicts.co.uk/brexit-...MTJYaX45Cdq5XA

[Peter Mallett]

Thanks Max, useful. My trailer is ensured but not registered.

[Newall Andy]

Originally Posted by midgetman

Glad it was easier than everyone feared. Did you have any paperwork if they'd been wanting to prod further?

There's an article here about it all:

http://www.autoaddicts.co.uk/brexit-...MTJYaX45Cdq5XA

I did have invoices for the parts I took out yes and to be honest I put my name on both sides of the Cobra so I could tell them I owned it. It’s not road registered so they can’t find the owner through DVLA.
Bit grey I know but as it happened no one was interested.
Maybe in the middle of the summer when we are all returning from Spa they might take more interest, but then they are all under staffed.

Did I get lucky ? Time will tell.
A

[midgetman]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

Thanks Max, useful. My trailer is ensured but not registered.

I'm not sure if I'm reading it right, but I thought the article implied the race car had to be insured if road registered as well.


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[Gerard C]

Car and trailer must have a green card, trailer below 3500 kilos must not be registered if my understanding is good. Strange are the last words: "If anyone has tested the new system – please could they report back to me so that others can learn and we can fast-track others also planning to race in Europe"

[Peter Mallett]

Originally Posted by midgetman

I'm not sure if I'm reading it right, but I thought the article implied the race car had to be insured if road registered as well.


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They are.

[midgetman]

I presume that would be some kind of third party liability rather than simply for theft. There'll soon be specialist policies I'm sure. But it all adds costs that weren't there last month.

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[Peter Mallett]

I have insurance on the Rover for transport and paddock. Race is separate. The MG is fully road registered and has fully comp insurance.

Around £400 per annum. Trailer is also insured, another £200 roughly.

[delta]

Originally Posted by Newall Andy

I did have invoices for the parts I took out yes and to be honest I put my name on both sides of the Cobra so I could tell them I owned it. It’s not road registered so they can’t find the owner through DVLA.
Bit grey I know but as it happened no one was interested.
Maybe in the middle of the summer when we are all returning from Spa they might take more interest, but then they are all under staffed.

Did I get lucky ? Time will tell.
A

Thanks for keeping us posted Andy. I recon I was the last racer back into UK before Brexit and you were the first out.

[Mike Harte]

Originally Posted by midgetman

I presume that would be some kind of third party liability rather than simply for theft. There'll soon be specialist policies I'm sure. But it all adds costs that weren't there last month.

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It certainly all depends on exactly what type of insurance is actually required. Don't forget that it was only about a year ago that motor racing vehicles were exempted from having to be covered by insurance when it was mandated that all off-road machinery were so covered.

[Peter Mallett]

They still are in the UK. I recall Mike B telling me he wouldn't transport any race cars unless they were insured.

[Mike Harte]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

They still are in the UK. I recall Mike B telling me he wouldn't transport any race cars unless they were insured.

But what insurance, Peter? I can imagine that Mike may have been concerned only about accidental damage and/or theft insurance, so that he was covered against the event of any possible claim.

[Geraint Owen]

I suspect that in order to pass through with a car on a trailer using a V5C, you will also need a green card which is what they mean by needing insurance. You can then show intent to use on the road and thus the car isnt goods.

You will also need the same for your paddock bike too

[midgetman]

This article also raises a point we have identified internally - need to bring back any broken spares/used tyres etc so the carnet matches the one on the way out.

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[Peter Mallett]

Originally Posted by Mike Harte

I can imagine that Mike may have been concerned only about accidental damage and/or theft insurance, so that he was covered against the event of any possible claim.

Yup that is correct. And both my race cars are insured for that. Additionally the MG is insured for the road and is road registered.