Jos the boss - PAH! - Page 4

steve nielsen · 25 Jun 2003, 20:23 (Ref:643047)

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Originally posted by NiceGuyEddie
When Taku gets more experience he will be lightyears ahead of Jos. For now, he is merely 'a lot' better. Be that as it may, there's a big chance Jos is out of F1 once Sato steps back in.

Do you believe this yourself??

No way, and is there even a chance that Sato wil get back into F1 after last season??

NiceGuyEddie · 25 Jun 2003, 20:27 (Ref:643053)

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Originally posted by steve nielsen
Do you believe this yourself??

No way, and is there even a chance that Sato wil get back into F1 after last season??

Yes there is. It'll take a F1-newbie or a Josfan not to recognize the talent of Takuma and the progress he's made during 2002. Right now he is nutured by B*A*R, so his talent, speed and racecraft can be enjoyed to the fullest.

It is better to start your F1-career and start growing to bigger things from there, than to do it the other way around. But then again, you being a Josfan, you will disagree.

So again, why in the hell are we having this conversation?

I'm not asking you to agree with me. I'm not trying to convince you that my point is the right one, so please, lend me the same courtesy.

steve nielsen · 25 Jun 2003, 20:40 (Ref:643064)

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Originally posted by NiceGuyEddie
Yes there is. It'll take a F1-newbie or a Josfan not to recognize the talent of Takuma and the progress he's made during 2002. Right now he is nutured by B*A*R, so his talent, speed and racecraft can be enjoyed to the fullest.

It is better to start your F1-career and start growing to bigger things from there, than to do it the other way around. But then again, you being a Josfan, you will disagree.

So again, why in the hell are we having this conversation?

I'm not asking you to agree with me. I'm not trying to convince you that my point is the right one, so please, lend me the same courtesy.

I REALLY can't see why you can even start to think that Sato is better than Jos...................

even Firman is doing ( a lot)better than Sato did last year.

Knowlesy · 25 Jun 2003, 20:54 (Ref:643082)

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Originally posted by steve nielsen
I REALLY can't see why you can even start to think that Sato is better than Jos...................

even Firman is doing ( a lot)better than Sato did last year.

Oh come off it! Sato had undoubted speed in '02. He simply made some rookie mistakes. But once the raw speed is met with consistency he will be a top-line driver. Just look at Suzuka last year.

Jos has, nor has had, any real pace in his career. He is merely average. No, he's below average, just.

He's gonna set the world alight in next years BAR! Come on Taku!

Knowlesy · 25 Jun 2003, 20:57 (Ref:643086)

TAKU! TAKU! TAKU! TAKU! RAH-RAH-RAH!

ASCII Man · 25 Jun 2003, 21:02 (Ref:643088)

Jos doesn't lack pace, he lacks consistency.
The only time he drove a competitive car was in his maiden season.
Everyone expects him to be perfect straight out of the box and when Taku screws up in his first couple of races it's just "rookie mistakes"?

And everyone whines that todays rookies have to perform straight away...

Knowlesy · 25 Jun 2003, 21:05 (Ref:643096)

Well, I suppose you're right. Jos didn't lack pace when confronted with Montoyas rear wing at Brazil 2001!

Knowlesy · 25 Jun 2003, 21:06 (Ref:643098)

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Originally posted by ®îjñtjûh

The only time he drove a competitive car was in his maiden season.

And what did he do in this maiden season? Hmm, let's see...

ASCII Man · 25 Jun 2003, 21:07 (Ref:643100)

Read further dammit!

This seriously es me off!

Knowlesy · 25 Jun 2003, 21:09 (Ref:643101)

steve nielsen · 25 Jun 2003, 21:14 (Ref:643111)

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Originally posted by knowlesy
And what did he do in this maiden season? Hmm, let's see...

2 3rd places and a lot more points than the other 2 teammates Michael Schumacher had that year.

and Jos never showed pace??

driving 6th in a simtek(1995)

setting the fastes lap in the rain in Brazil in an Arrows Hart(1996)

overtaking David Coulthard to take 6th place in Argentina(again 96, after qualifying the Arrows Hart in 7th)

He showed enough pace in 2000 and 2001 in the Arrows, and has just put a Minardi P15 on the grid one GP ago.

steve nielsen · 25 Jun 2003, 21:17 (Ref:643115)

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Originally posted by knowlesy
Well, I suppose you're right. Jos didn't lack pace when confronted with Montoyas rear wing at Brazil 2001!

arrows had the data to show that Jos actualy brakes 30 meters earlier on thap lap than he did on all the laps before that, and: was'nt it strange that all those cars that where beeing hit from the back in the beginning of 2001 were Williams cars??

Knowlesy · 25 Jun 2003, 21:20 (Ref:643119)

Hence the rear wing at Imola practice.

Yes, Jos has showed flashes of pace, but not often enough I feel.

And the 15th place at Canada recently was something of a hoax....

Knowlesy · 25 Jun 2003, 21:25 (Ref:643124)

And would you just look at the poll results!

Andyc · 25 Jun 2003, 21:45 (Ref:643144)

Didn't Jos test for Jordan in 99 (With the chance of a race seat) when Damon wasn't sure if he would continue after the British GP or not?

steve nielsen · 26 Jun 2003, 08:07 (Ref:643430)

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Originally posted by Andyc
Didn't Jos test for Jordan in 99 (With the chance of a race seat) when Damon wasn't sure if he would continue after the British GP or not?

Yes, he did:

http://home.wanadoo.nl/sjaguera/JosJor-1.jpg
http://home.wanadoo.nl/sjaguera/JosJor-2.jpg

Knowlesy · 26 Jun 2003, 09:08 (Ref:643471)

So what does that prove exactly?

steve nielsen · 26 Jun 2003, 09:17 (Ref:643482)

if you see all the teams Jos has driven and tested for you see that many different teambosses saw the talent and speed that Jos has.

Knowlesy · 26 Jun 2003, 09:23 (Ref:643490)

Yes, that's why he was a test driver and not a race driver.

steve nielsen · 26 Jun 2003, 10:31 (Ref:643549)

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Originally posted by knowlesy
Yes, that's why he was a test driver and not a race driver.

well, we'l just have to ask Jackie Oliver,Flavio Briatore, Ron Dennis, Eddie Jordan, Tom Walkinshaw, Jackie Stewart, Nick Wirth and Paul Stoddart about that.

to bad whe can't ask Ken Tyrrell or Harvey Postlewaite anymore(uncle Ken even quit early when Craig Pollock did'nt want Jos to drive the Tyrrell in 98)

Knowlesy · 26 Jun 2003, 11:06 (Ref:643579)

Yes, but he has never held those seats for very long now, has he?

Knowlesy · 26 Jun 2003, 11:07 (Ref:643581)

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Originally posted by steve nielsen
(Craig Pollock did'nt want Jos to drive the Tyrrell in 98)

The only sane, sensible decision Mr Pollock ever took.....

steve nielsen · 26 Jun 2003, 12:42 (Ref:643692)

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Originally posted by knowlesy
Yes, but he has never held those seats for very long now, has he?

Flavio Briatore had Jos in his team in 94, aranged a Simtek seat for him in 95(when he was also Benetton testdriver) and hired him back to test for Benetton in 98.
Tom Walkinshaw had Jos in the team after he took it over in 96, rehired him in 2000 and renewed his contract for 2001, he also gave Jos a new contract for 2002 but did'nt keep his word.
Ken Tyrrell hired Jos in 97(but wanted to have him in the team since 1993) and quit Tyrrell when Jos could'nt drive for "his" team in the final year.
Harvey Postlewaite also worked with Jos at Tyrrell, and decided to hire him when he needed a testdriver for the Honda in 99.
Jos was also offered the Mclaren testdriver position for 1994, but chose Benetton.

so a lot of people seem to think he's a good driver.

steve nielsen · 26 Jun 2003, 12:47 (Ref:643695)

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Originally posted by knowlesy
The only sane, sensible decision Mr Pollock ever took.....

He hired Takagi and Rosset instead, because he did'nt want to spend any money in 98, but as all Pollock decisions go: it did'nt work out to good.

come on: you're talking about the man who hired Patrick Lemarie as a BAR testdriver and had hired him as CART driver this season, he never made any sane decision i.m.h.o.

NiceGuyEddie · 27 Jun 2003, 09:00 (Ref:644502)

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Originally posted by steve nielsen
I REALLY can't see why you can even start to think that Sato is better than Jos...................

even Firman is doing ( a lot)better than Sato did last year.

You are such a (bad) joke.

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