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9 Apr 2012, 14:04 (Ref:3055820) | #76 | ||
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This is very interesting but it is not representative as it needs to be split down to lap records with Kent engines and lap records with Zetec engines as F.Ford has changed so much over the years!
The table will also show how much faster the Zetec cars are (?) compared to the older Kent engined cars |
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If anyone wants to compile lap records for the Zetec car, be my guest. EDIT: In what way is this 'not representative'!? Last edited by barnettracing; 9 Apr 2012 at 14:15. Reason: Extra question. |
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I'm not sure that there is any need to differentiate between the records set in cars that were construscted to Kent regulations and those that are converted Zetec (and potentially Duratech) spec. My reasoning of this is that in the era of the Kent engine being used at a national level, there were a significant number of enhancements to chassis design (I'm sure most people would agree that in most circumstances, say, a Swift SC92 is quicker than a Jamun T2, for instance). As such the introduction of new cars can be seen as an extension of this progression. The key thing to my mind, is that the records are set in FF1600 races, by cars complying to the prescribed regulations, regardless of age.
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Yes SAMD, I understand the problems surrounding the Zetec cars (their weight was too high up, hence the longer wheelbases) but I don't see what relevance it has to a thread about Kent-engined lap records?
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9 Apr 2012, 16:43 (Ref:3055880) | #81 | ||
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There will be no splitting of the lap records to reflect cars originally built to Zetec/Duratec regulations.
It is natural progression (even in a series as tightly controlled as FF1600) that the newer cars will be quicker. Also, as has been pointed out, although the ex-Zetec cars are quick, their designs were not optimised for the ACB10 tyres nor the weight distribution of the Kent engine. For the avoidance of any doubt; ANY CAR BUILT OR CONVERTED TO FF1600 'KENT' REGULATIONS IS ELIGIBLE TO BREAK A LAP RECORD ON THIS LIST. IT MUST HOWEVER BE BROKEN IN A RACE SOLELY FOR FF1600 CARS AND NOT AS PART OF AN INVITATIONAL CLASS IN ANOTHER SERIES/RACE/CHAMPIONSHIP. |
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22 Apr 2012, 17:52 (Ref:3063771) | #83 | |
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Just read this tread. This took some amount of time to put together, top job! I cant see that brands Indy lap record been broken for a long time! |
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23 Apr 2012, 15:08 (Ref:3064331) | #85 | ||
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Great work there Josh.
I think there is a quicker Oulton Fosters time from pre-2007. Not raced fosters since they have tewaked the chicane down there, so not sure how different the fosters corner and knickerbrook kink is now, but back in 2003/2004 when we raced on the layout a lot, we were qualyfing in the 1.03's and sure some people had race laps in the three's. I seem to remeber the lap record as a low 1.03 though, sure Diz can recall it. |
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Many thanks to Trevor Swettenham, the press officer for the BARC for digging out the Formula Ford lap records around Thruxton. I now have the definitive fastest lap around the Hampshire speedbowl in a Kent-engined car. As suspected it is from the 2003 King of Kents race. Gavin's lap is a quite incredible 103.70mph average speed! Goughy, I have just emailed Oulton Park to see if they can help regarding the Fosters lap record. If anyone comes across a faster lap in any old time sheets please PM me. I'll also see if Diz can find anything. I'll post an updated table soon with added average lap speeds to give everyone an idea of the different circuits. |
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What we need is somebody with a collection of programmes and race results to pop up on here. I stopped hoarding these and Autosprouts and Muttering Nudes many moons ago. But - in the back of my mind - I'm sure Fosters used to regularly get navigated in the mid to low 1m02s' It seems ages ago - and it was about 35 years ago - that the lap record was held by about seven different drivers, all unable to better 1m07.0s |
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27 Apr 2012, 12:13 (Ref:3066128) | #88 | ||
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Yes Diz, I recall you telling me it was Mike Bennett who held the record, although legend says that this 1.03.2 was a huge anomaly that may have been a mistake as the Bennett brothers ran identical cars who were lapping together in this race and the timekeepers may have tripped up on this particular lap.
I know me and John Lobell shared the quickest qually lap of 1.03.667, that’s why I am pretty sure there is a quicker current lap record of a high 3, low 4-I seem to think someone like Steve Roberts set it. |
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The fastest lap I have found was a 1m03.138s set by David Brown (28/07/2007). However, it is a qualifying lap so obviously doesn't count. Considering that a lot of qualifying laps from 2007/2008 were in the low 1m04s the lap record must be faster than the lap I currently have listed. http://www.tsl-timing.com/brscc/2007/73032.pdf
If anyone can verify the Mike Bennett lap (car, date) then the list will be updated. Whilst we're all here. Does anyone know the Pembrey lap record? There used to be a Star of Wales Championship held there. Robin Parsons won it back in the late 1990s. Also, with the changes to Donington, has the GP circuit been modified? If so then the LR is still to be set, if not does anyone know what the lap record is? It may have been set during the 2005 MSV Midlands/South Championship. I remember Mr. Dawkins was pretty hot up there in his RF90. EDIT TO ADD: Off topic but, many thanks Diz for last weekend at Oulton. All the NW guys made me feel very welcome and the circuit is superb. I'll definitely be back. Last edited by barnettracing; 27 Apr 2012 at 12:28. Reason: Thanks to Diz |
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A south American by the name of Bolivar de Sordi broke the record with a 1m6.9s in 1979. Ayrton Senna couldn't beat this time in '81. |
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As for the GP circuit, it was never used during my time (2002 onwards), I guess it must have cropped up at some stage in the 90s. It was definitely used for the European Grand Prix support race in 1993, albeit for Zetec. Allegedly the sound of the FF1600 race was ruining to F1 driver's briefing...so Bernie had it red-flagged. |
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Josh you are probably aware, but the table has not been updated yet. . .
Joey Foster beat Gavin Wills Thruxton lap record at the Ian Taylor Memorial Joey Foster Ray GRK10 1.21.258 17.06.12 He also beat Peter Dempseys Brands Hatch GP lap record at the Champion of Brands round supporting the F3/GT Joey Foster Ray GRK10 1.36.260 24.06.12 |
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Sorry for the rather large delay in updating this. Considering I was racing in both the Thruxton and Brands Hatch meetings where Joey set the new records, I should've been a little bit faster in providing the new times. Well done to Joey on both records, both had been standing for quite some time. Here they are, and I've added circuit distance and average lap speed to give a comparison of the UK's different circuits; Mondello is the slowest, Thruxton is the fastest. |
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Lydden Hill?
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If you can find it Clive (or anyone else) then I'll add it. I don't know when the last proper FF1600 race was held there? Probably a King of Kent round, possibly early 2000's? I've had a look around but can't find anything.
The list above is of circuits that are currently active in holding standalone FF1600 races, hence no Lydden. Though saying that, Donington International is on the list (albeit without any time set). |
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mondello put up the national track records the FF1600 record belongs to david wright with a 57.76 in 1990 it doesn't say which chassis though
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25 Aug 2012, 14:25 (Ref:3124566) | #100 | ||
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Classic Formula Ford were at Lydden in 2005 and Paul Walton set a fastest lap of 45.299 so that could be your starting point .
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