[FIA GT] FIA GT2 Spa 24 Hours • Spa • July 30-Aug 1st

[HORNDAWG]

There is a thread for this S....... http://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=103894






L.P.

[Spyderman]

Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

If I remember correctly, the engine has already been moved in the Porsche. Which caused problems with the transaxle that had to be worked through.

L.P.

The engine in the RSR is in EXACTLY the same place as it is in the GT3 RS road going car.

[Acid09]

Originally Posted by arakis

BMW m3 is not the most sophisticated road car, so why should it be the most sophisticated race car, in a class of road car racers

Why not? The road cars are just the base for the race car, that's all.

The rules obviously allow it, otherwise the car wouldn't be legal to race. And it is, and nothing you can tell me can make that go away...

BMW has build the most sophisticated GT2 racer so far (you admitted that yourself) and instead of getting to work and improve their own cars, all Ferrari and Porsche do is ***** and moan to have them penalised.

I thought you cheerish engineering above all else, if that would be the case you would admire BMW for building an excellent car. But I guess engineering is only cool if your favorite manufacturer ends up winning..

I would understand this discussion if BMW would beat Porsche and Ferrari week in, week out, if there was an obvious balance problem. But that is not the case! Even in the ALMS where the M3 is least restricted they haven't managed to win one single race this year!

So much ado about nothing...

[arakis]

Originally Posted by Acid09

Why not? The road cars are just the base for the race car, that's all.

The rules obviously allow it, otherwise the car wouldn't be legal to race. And it is, and nothing you can tell me can make that go away...

BMW has build the most sophisticated GT2 racer so far (you admitted that yourself) and instead of getting to work and improve their own cars, all Ferrari and Porsche do is ***** and moan to have them penalised.

I thought you cheerish engineering above all else, if that would be the case you would admire BMW for building an excellent car. But I guess engineering is only cool if your favorite manufacturer ends up winning..

I would understand this discussion if BMW would beat Porsche and Ferrari week in, week out, if there was an obvious balance problem. But that is not the case! Even in the ALMS where the M3 is least restricted they haven't managed to win one single race this year!

So much ado about nothing...

ferrari and porsche are not alowed to do the same things BMW did with the M#, thats the whole point of this argument, you are only alowed to do things like the BMW did if you have a crapy car to start with! this argument is pointless C.YA

[NightStalk3r]

Originally Posted by Acid09

They haven't won a single race this year so they´re obviously not more competitive than others.. I still fail to see the problem.

They have had a car on the podium at pretty much every event this year, and if i remember correctly they have had a 2-3 finish twice, all thanks to there fantastic 50:50 weight distribution gained by moving the engine back further than the regulations allow.

[chernaudi]

Originally Posted by ubrben

Interesting angle from DSC - simply believing what the FIA would like people to believe:



The Dunlop's are nothing like what's being run in ALMS and they'll quite happily sell you a set of what BMW are running. Indeed the Audi's ran the exact same rear tyre in the FIA GT3 balance of performance at Ricard in March. Hence the Dunlop's are just as "stock" as the Michelin's.

The idea that BMW are in GTN so Dunlop can run special tyres is simply and fundamentally incorrect.

Ben

Would the real reason be that the FIA GT2 series, like the ACO, doesn't offically recognize IMSA's ALMS GT2S rules for modified(read, non-ACO or FIA spec) cars(ie, the transaxle gearbox, wishbone IFS and IRS, etc.)? This question being rhetorical.

The deal with the tires is most likey hogwash.

[chernaudi]

And now on topic, with the GT2 and GT3 cars being so equal, why not mirge the two classes(not just for IMSA but the LMS and FIA GT endurance races)? The cars perform about the same and cost about the same. Makes sense to me.

However, it also begs the question: How are FIA and ALMS/ACO GT2 cars different? Because the ACO GT2 cars have out-ran the FIA GT1 cars in LMS races.

[Purist]

On ultimate pace, the FIA GT1s are still quicker than GT2s, to the tune of 3 seconds in qualifying for the Spa 1000km. In racing conditions, which are less ideal, the gap will be reduced. Also, the Saleens running in LMS this year are NOT up to the pace of the GT1 regulars this year, as they were 3-4 seconds off the leading pace in class at Spa.

There is also the sprint nature of the new GT1s to consider, but then, some of those cars did last several hours at Le Mans this year, so they aren't nearly as close to grenading as some would like to think.

I think GT1 was pegged back in anticipation of the slower LMPs coming in for 2011. Now that this concern is no longer an issue, they could, theoretically, crank things up on their GTs (the FIA, I mean), which could make the new LMP2s, at least, look a bit slow. This could, though I'm not expecting it will, get very interesting.

As for GT3, there was mention in the announcement that they would be giving the FIA GT2s more power to give a more pronounced separation between classes.

[arakis]

giving gt2 more power, wou;d separate the classes, but it might unfairly benefit some teams, those porsche engines are preaty thin as it is, (i thing the old gt engine started its life as a 3l now its a 4), and adding more hp might make them seriusly unreliable.

It would be far more easier to reduce the power of the gt3, since they are all performance equalissed, they could easily lower the bar at the begging of the season.

[Spyderman]

Arakis- Those Porsche engines, in turbo form, have produced over 600 hp so I think they can handle another 5% increase in air restrictor diameter quite comfortably.

[arakis]

Originally Posted by Spyderman

Arakis- Those Porsche engines, in turbo form, have produced over 600 hp so I think they can handle another 5% increase in air restrictor diameter quite comfortably.

I am not implying poor workmanshio or bad enginering, the Metzger engine wiill go down in history as one of the best engines ever made, but that engine never made 600hp with 4.l architecture, already at 480hp porsche is reaching reliability limits.
and since the stroke didn't change it means the bore did, and that means thiner walls, I am just saying its not exacly fair to porsche to push the power anvelope, because as the power of the cars increasses and the speed with it the 911 platform becomes less usefull. and it not fair since all other engines i the class are downtuned versions of the road cars, only Porsches engine is overtuned

[Spyderman]

I understand. My point is that the 4L were required under the current engine regulations in order to remain competitive. If those regulations are changed, then 4L may not be required.

[The359]

DSC reports that the #92 G2 Ferrari is already a DNF following a heavy qualifying accident. Down to 40.

[courageous]

TV coverage started- weather looks dry but overcast

[NightStalk3r]

Johnny bloody Herbert commentating, where is RLM when you need them...

[arakis]

any direct stream links, I am at the university and their IE is out of wack

[911targa]

if there's nothing wrong with my maths,the race is going to start in 10 minutes,but the bloomberg tv is still showing some GT3 videos while GT2 tv is still relaxing.

[NightStalk3r]

Im watching on Motors TV here in the UK.

[Acid09]

Does anybody have a live-timing link? Thanks..

[Dead-Eye]

Timing should work here: http://static.sportresult.com/federa...ml?class=TOTAL

TV at http://gt2europe.com/liveGT2.php

[911targa]

Originally Posted by Dead-Eye

Timing should work here: http://static.sportresult.com/federa...ml?class=TOTAL

TV at http://gt2europe.com/liveGT2.php

many thanks,i can see the warming lap

[Acid09]

Is timing working for anyone? All I get is a black page..

[JayBMS]

Same here

[tux]

No need for live timing Bruni is running away with it and if they have a trouble free race they will win. This shows exactly what is wrong with GT3.

[mirkob]

try at:
http://static.sportresult.com/federa...ml?class=TOTAL