[iV8SC13R06,R07,R08.R09] ITM 400, Pukekohe NZ: 12-14 Apr

[HProject]

Here's a few more snaps from me:















Full album visible here: http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?s...5072430&type=1

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by TSR

Could not believe one MS on the TV, he kept saying Frosty got to have a big go, and then when he did, he was all over JW, and the bias towards JW was sicking, yes we all know MS favours Red Bull Racing but it is getting beyond a joke now.

You can not say one thing , then when it happens favour the other side of it.

To quote the #7 team leader...

UNBELIEVABLE

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by HProject

Here's a few more snaps from me:















Full album visible here: http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?s...5072430&type=1

Awesome pics, thanks for sharing!

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by Tourer

OK - I had my tongue in my cheek there, sorry about that.

Craig's correct position was not in the wall as there's no wall there - he WAS last top ten starter (due to his mistake and not any penalty) until another driver had his top ten time removed and that penalty moved Fabs behind all others in the shootout.

The only rule broken and therefore penalty applied was for what Fabs did - so the rule, which definitely exists, was applied consistently and correctly. Simple.

so what you are saying is that if you cut the corner and lose a second then thats ok, no penalty, but if you cut the corner and it cant be determined if you gained or lost time then we penalise you by putting you behind the guy that lost time Does that sound logical to you?

To me i think we need a blanket rule. cut the corner back of the grid. which is what would happen in a non shoot out session

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by peckstar

so what you are saying is that if you cut the corner and lose a second then thats ok, no penalty, but if you cut the corner and it cant be determined if you gained or lost time then we penalise you by putting you behind the guy that lost time Does that sound logical to you?

To me i think we need a blanket rule. cut the corner back of the grid. which is what would happen in a non shoot out session

Sorry Pecky but this is another one of these stupid, obtuse discussions that you seem to want to have with everyone from time to time. I'll try (once more) to make this really easy for you - I'm typing R-E-A-L slow so hope that helps.

In this case, Fabs was penalised for cheating - shortening the track to gain a competitive advantage beyond the limit that is accepted by the powers that be.

Craig made a mistake, ran off the track and screwed his lap - he was not trying to gain an advantage by going off the track, nor did breach any guidelines or rules nor did he cheat by doing so plus it sure as hell didn't look deliberate (why would anyone deliberately screw their Q lap anyway?). If he'd run (for example) straight ahead through t5, kept the boot in and recorded an ultra fast lap due to cheating, he too would have been penalised.

The two situations are utterly, completely different and it amazes me that you seem to think that they have any similarity at all. Give me strength!! Sorry to go at you a bit but fair dinkum!

[Chappelli]

Some great racing, good to see Frosty have a big dive (even if it didn't come off)... With the cars all so close and no one really dominating maybe it's time to think about a points structure that favours the brave?

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Awesome pics, thanks for sharing!

Agree - great photos HProject - how did you get those overheads - they're awesome.

[Reload]

Originally Posted by TSR

Could not believe one MS on the TV, he kept saying Frosty got to have a big go, and then when he did, he was all over JW, and the bias towards JW was sicking, yes we all know MS favours Red Bull Racing but it is getting beyond a joke now.

You can not say one thing , then when it happens favour the other side of it.

Skaife was urging MW to have a go as most people would have wanted whether it be from a Ford fans view or purely as great entertainment. MW did have a go to his credit, but made a mistake which Skaife and everybody conceded was his fault which had to be pointed out by Skaife as that is his job.
Skaife then praised JW for a great drive and winning the race.
Did I miss the bias part ?

[Marcos WTF]

Originally Posted by peckstar

just to be clear, you are saying that Frosty should have settlled for 2nd?

Yes. You don't win Championships by turning a solid second into 13th.
He should have settled for 2nd, got a swag of points and moved up in the C'ship points.

Instead he came 13th and went back a one or two spots in the points.

Still, it made a change from the usual pitstop stuffups.

[Marcos WTF]

Originally Posted by Reload

Skaife was urging MW to have a go as most people would have wanted whether it be from a Ford fans view or purely as great entertainment. MW did have a go to his credit, but made a mistake which Skaife and everybody conceded was his fault which had to be pointed out by Skaife as that is his job.
Skaife then praised JW for a great drive and winning the race.
Did I miss the bias part ?

I too missed the alleged bias.

[TSR]

Originally Posted by Marcos WTF

I too missed the alleged bias.

[peckstar]

seeing that tripe 8 and HRT have been fined and given big team points penalties for dodgy cameras in their cars

BIG FINES FOR TRIPLE EIGHT AND WALKINSHAW

[GTRMagic]

Nice exchange between Mr Winterbottom & Mr A. Davison in the pit garage after qualifying!

Hope it makes it to Youtube soon..

Mr Winterbottom's parting remarks.. after being told by Mr A.Davison that he was blocked on a lap too... it went Something along the lines of "... Doesn't matter, you're slow anyway.."






Then Larko is on the grid with Mr A.Davison, who spoke of Mr Davison's desire to have the chat 'out the back', and Larko asks whether he wanted them to have a chat, or to thump him... From A.Davo.. 'Both'





Threats..

BTSID??

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by peckstar

seeing that tripe 8 and HRT have been fined and given big team points penalties for dodgy cameras in their cars

BIG FINES FOR TRIPLE EIGHT AND WALKINSHAW

Why the inconsistent penalties for what seems the same offence?

And fines are useless if they keep suspending the bulk of them..

[Reload]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Nice exchange between Mr Winterbottom & Mr A. Davison in the pit garage after qualifying!

Hope it makes it to Youtube soon..

Mr Winterbottom's parting remarks.. after being told by Mr A.Davison that he was blocked on a lap too... it went Something along the lines of "... Doesn't matter, you're slow anyway.."






Then Larko is on the grid with Mr A.Davison, who spoke of Mr Davison's desire to have the chat 'out the back', and Larko asks whether he wanted them to have a chat, or to thump him... From A.Davo.. 'Both'





Threats..

BTSID??

And to think that all the talk a couple of years ago was that Tander and Courtney would have dramas.

[Reload]

Yes it's a high pressure environment, however the HRT guy didn't do himself or HRT any good with his response to Larko's question regarding the Courtney/ SVG incident.

[JC Ohope]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Why the inconsistent penalties for what seems the same offence?

And fines are useless if they keep suspending the bulk of them..

On the V8SC website they're a bit clearer on why the numbers were picked:

Following an investigation and an admission by Walkinshaw Racing that they had failed to comply with Rule B3.2 (must carry a fully operational digital video camera and recording device) in Races 6 & 7 in Car #66, the Stewards imposed the penalty of the loss of 62 Teams Championship points (being the points gained in Races 6 & 7 by Car #66) and a $10,000 fine, $7500 of which is suspended until 31/12/2013.

Following an investigation and an admission by Triple Eight Race Engineering that they had failed to comply with Rule B3.2 (must carry a fully operational digital video camera and recording device) in Race 7 in Car #1, the Stewards imposed the penalty of the loss of 75 Teams Championship points (being the points gained in Race 7 by Car #1) and a $10,000 fine, $7500 of which is suspended until 31/12/2013.

So in reality it's the same penalty - loss of all team points from those races.

I'm guessing on the 'suspended fines' they're more about deterring repeat offences, because while they pay very little for the first offence they'll have to pay a lot more when they incur the second one.

[STEALTHY]

So Frosty gets a taste of his own driving, and Tim Edwards has a princess about it.

Nothing to see here FPR, the precedent was set long ago!

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by JC Ohope

On the V8SC website they're a bit clearer on why the numbers were picked:



So in reality it's the same penalty - loss of all team points from those races.

I'm guessing on the 'suspended fines' they're more about deterring repeat offences, because while they pay very little for the first offence they'll have to pay a lot more when they incur the second one.

Looking at the fuel fill issue with DJR, that is a safety issue, yet the team got the equivalent of a slap

Makes no sense...

[pigs fly]

AND frosty stuff's it up again, turning pole position into crap.

[Reload]

Originally Posted by pigs fly

AND frosty stuff's it up again, turning pole position into crap.

And your desperation and addiction in needing to bag him holds no credibility in this instance.

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Looking at the fuel fill issue with DJR, that is a safety issue, yet the team got the equivalent of a slap

Makes no sense...

The thing will be that the cameras are one of the cornerstone items in regard to judicial process etc so a solid penalty is in place to deter teams from interfering with the cameras. It's similar in a smaller way to the big penalties for testing and tyre breaches.

The fuel fill issue is unclear - may not have been unsafe at all for all we know. I'm assuming that they refuelled the car in pit lane & presumably used churns etc to do it so not necessarily a safety issue but def a regulation breach.

[Tourer]

Good result for Wilbur - stayed out of trouble, showed both Mr Winterbottom and Mr Whincup how to pass another car without contact and brought home Ford's first win for the year. Good stuff - plenty going on in that race, no doubt a about it.

[pigs fly]

Originally Posted by Reload

And your desperation and addiction in needing to bag him holds no credibility in this instance.

AT least I've got more credibility than Frosties c/ship hopes.

[Micklegend]

I think Whincups bump in the rear to move frosty out of the way is not the same as a lunge done the inside of another driver...lunges etc have a lot to to with visibility and the ability of the lunging driver to pull the car up to avoid contact, versus the driver of the car being passed leaving racing room once they know the move is on.
Frosty yesterday took an opportunity to lunge and it didn't come off, stuffing his own race. Whincup hits frosty in the rear, moving him out of the way then taking the position. I'd suggest if he didn't 'make a mistake' and screw his own race there would have been a penalty after the race against him.
Will Davos pass on coulthard was clean and likewise coulthard left racing room.
I'm pleased there has been a bit of spice in the racing anyway...and variety of winners. Will also take the current bragging rights that a ford in atop the tree too...however long that lasts!