Nissan Know How! Till VESA get involved (merged x2) - Page 4

mayhem · 10 Mar 2009, 02:52 (Ref:2412730)

If thats turning then you'd cream yourself over a hairpin...

Denosaur · 10 Mar 2009, 03:18 (Ref:2412734)

Would have called it a proper racecar, as there are others, but more so a proper "touring car".

And nothing wrong with those other racecars that turn left most of the season, other than when leaving the pit box or when at a road course. They can put a better show than some other racing series around the world...........

chavez · 10 Mar 2009, 09:37 (Ref:2412826)

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Originally Posted by Chatters

Coming from someone whose definition of a race "car" which doesn't even have doors and only turns in one direction...?

They turn right, but only at 160 miles an hour through the turns.

**GTRMagic** · 10 Apr 2009, 03:12 (Ref:2437838)

Interesting that the bloke who allegedly did the deal to run the Nissan Skyline GT-R as VESA's Safety Car may no longer be with the Nissan business. I wonder if Mr Booth shall return to Ford?

**GTRMagic** · 5 Jun 2009, 23:39 (Ref:2476266)

Its a shame this deal is now over, according to AA anyway, as VESA, not happy with getting the cars for free, appear to have sold off sponsorship to XXXX without actually informing the Nissan people.

An interesting way to play I should think.

Have Nissan been forced to take one for the team, again??

The Halcyon Days

D.R.T. · 6 Jun 2009, 02:56 (Ref:2476314)

Good on Nissan for standing up to V8SA in this instance. That is ridiculous and you can understand a car manufactuer not wanting to run around with alcohol branding all over it.

Just Do It! · 6 Jun 2009, 12:24 (Ref:2476474)

In MENews, did it not mention that the deal was done by V8SA without consulting liquor laws? Whoopsk!!

The contract apparentlly allows for some space om the Course and Safety Cars to be sold.

The footage was wicked - Freddy Gibson was a real hero for Nissan in more than just one country!

**GTRMagic** · 7 Jun 2009, 02:13 (Ref:2476734)

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Originally Posted by Just Do It!

The footage was wicked - Freddy Gibson was a real hero for Nissan in more than just one country!

The full video is Here

PVDA · 16 Jun 2009, 10:41 (Ref:2484388)

I heard about this mid last week, certainly took a while to become public.......

http://www.carpoint.com.au/news/2009...air-over-15371

Safety car beer row comes to a sudden head
The much-trumpeted return of Nissan to the Australian touring car scene -- by providing the official safety and course cars for the V8 Supercar Championship -- looks to be over, barely three months into a two-year deal.

The end of the honeymoon is because of Nissan's refusal to accede to V8 Supercars Australia's wish that the new-generation GT-R safety car and Murano course vehicle carry XXXX Gold beer livery from the next round in Darwin on June 19-21.

This is an extraordinary upheaval so soon in a corporate partnership.

We can well understand a car manufacturer's concern at being associated with alcohol, well known to be a major contributing factor in road accidents.

It is one thing for the Jim Beam and Jack Daniel's brands to adorn V8 Supercars, but quite another for XXXX Gold -- or any alcohol brand -- to be associated with a SAFETY car.

We are seeking to establish whether Nissan knew at the time it signed up to provide its two vehicles to V8SA whether it was told it would be required to carry alcohol sponsorship at any point.

At a time when V8SA wants, perhaps even needs, more car companies involved with it, such a storm so early in an association could be a deterrent to other manufacturers, if indeed any are interested.

Three months ago today Nissan Australia managing director Dan Thompson said the company was "delighted to become a corporate partner (of V8 Supercars) from this season".

V8SA chief executive Cameron Levick hailed it as "a welcome return for the manufacturer" which was a big player in Australian touring car racing in the 1980s and early '90s, culminating in the success of the original GT-R in the Bathurst 1000, driven by Mark Skaife and Jim Richards.

That success did not go down well with traditional Bathurst fans, who preferred Aussie V8 Commodores and Falcons to the all-wheel-drive, turbocharged Godzilla.

When those fans vented their feelings during a victory presentation Richards returned fire by calling them "a pack of ********s".

But almost 20 years later Levick was welcoming Nissan's return to the tracks, albeit in a different role, as "a valuable addition to the sport and a fantastic new partner".

But after just four rounds of this year's V8 Supercar Championship, this week's Auto Action magazine reports that V8SA chairman Tony Cochrane claims to have organised a new safety and course car provider already.

"We're going to change our safety cars in time for the Darwin round," Cochrane is quoted by AA as saying.

"Let's say we have a difference of opinion with Nissan and what we want to do on the safety car.

"We want to use the safety car as an ongoing message for our fan base, particularly relevant to road safety messages and as a community billboard in that respect, and they have a difference in opinion on that -- so we are going to part company."

Nissan corporate communications manager Jeff Fisher is quoted by AA as saying Cochrane may have been "a bit premature" with those comments.

"We asked that the car not go on the track with the Lion Nathan (XXXX Gold) colors and that was complied with," Fisher told AA.

"Would we continue? Yeah, of course. If V8 Supercars wanted to remove the brewery sponsorship then we're back to normality again and the car would continue to fulfill its expectations for the rest of the year and next. But at the moment that seems to be a sticking point."

Fisher has not yet returned our message seeking clarification of the situation since the publication of AA.

We're also seeking clarification from V8SA. Among questions we have put to V8SA are:

+ Did V8SA's contract with Nissan stipulate that the manufacturer may be required at some point to carry alcohol sponsorship?
+ What make/model of car will the safety and course cars be at next V8 Supercar round?

We await answers.

Pro Racer · 16 Jun 2009, 10:54 (Ref:2484396)

also i read somewhere (can't remember off the top of my head possibly eNews) HSV declined to take over supplying the SC for similar reasons and for the foreseeable future they will use rented SS's.

EDIT: just checked it was eNews.

F J Nedos · 16 Jun 2009, 11:30 (Ref:2484415)

Who rents out SS's? They're game...

Tourer · 16 Jun 2009, 13:21 (Ref:2484504)

Actually been public for a while now (check out the "Nissan know how" thread).

williamsf1 · 16 Jun 2009, 14:19 (Ref:2484543)

It was public knowledge on Thursday of Tasmania!... when the car came out plain silver, and questions were asked!!!....answers on a postcard! I have to go see a man about a dog...

TWRv12 · 16 Jun 2009, 18:33 (Ref:2484680)

Do understand how there is so much drink sponsorship in V8 Supercars. It would be wise to reduce it.

Dunno what you could replace it with.

NewsStalker · 16 Jun 2009, 19:55 (Ref:2484736)

Safety Cars should be just that - plain, bare S A F E T Y cars. No sponsorship except possible the vehicle manufacturer.

The car is there for S A F E T Y reasons only - or is this proof that the S A F E T Y car is designed to be used for promotional purposes only and not safety?

paydirt · 16 Jun 2009, 21:41 (Ref:2484849)

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Originally Posted by NewsStalker

Safety Cars should be just that - plain, bare S A F E T Y cars. No sponsorship except possible the vehicle manufacturer.

What ? Surely a car can perform its duties, regardless of whether it has some stickers attached to it or not, hmmm?

Rachel Richards · 17 Jun 2009, 01:06 (Ref:2484925)

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Originally Posted by NewsStalker

Safety Cars should be just that - plain, bare S A F E T Y cars. No sponsorship except possible the vehicle manufacturer.

The car is there for S A F E T Y reasons only - or is this proof that the S A F E T Y car is designed to be used for promotional purposes only and not safety?

Racetime, I couldn't agree more.

Everything from the Big Black Truck down is simply a Mobile Bilboard, designed to have every available inch of advertising space sold off to the highest bidder.

davester · 17 Jun 2009, 02:07 (Ref:2484936)

Why would you have a safety car returning no income, when you can have a satefy car returning income?

The fact that V8Supercars can and do sell every inch of advertising space is why they are in business and others are not.

racer69 · 17 Jun 2009, 02:09 (Ref:2484937)

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Originally Posted by paydirt

What ? Surely a car can perform its duties, regardless of whether it has some stickers attached to it or not, hmmm?

Depends whether any sponsorship deal demands a certain amount of airtime (ie...saftey car periods) during a weekend

NewsStalker · 17 Jun 2009, 10:58 (Ref:2485116)

Seems like racer69 was the only one to really pick up on the 'need' to have a S A F E T Y car carry advertising...

Rachel - you really make me laugh...you can agree but couldn't be further from the truth.

NewsStalker · 17 Jun 2009, 11:00 (Ref:2485118)

Oh - while we're at it.

Why not have the ambo's carry XXXX advertising as well? The firies could go for advertising from Red Heads.

Pro Racer · 17 Jun 2009, 11:34 (Ref:2485137)

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Originally Posted by NewsStalker

Oh - while we're at it.

Why not have the ambo's carry XXXX advertising as well? The firies could go for advertising from Red Heads.

don't forget the flaggies what can we flog through them?????

Senna05 · 17 Jun 2009, 13:29 (Ref:2485209)

So, if FFS is reading this, can he tell me that seeing as he has worked on multiple Ferrari's, has he ever had the urge to grab a pack of Marlboro's and light them up in chain??

I can "Understand" nissan's reluctance to like the idea, however, if they feel that whatever is plastered on the side of their car will make people use that product WHILST driving, then we have serious issues.

Vodafone - You better leave the sport, we dont want people using your network whilst driving their Ford down the highway now, do we?

Pro Racer · 17 Jun 2009, 13:40 (Ref:2485216)

exactly Senna, everytime a JDR car or Jim Beam car gets on screen dosn't make me want to run and get some of the respective brands finnest, just like every time Casey Stoner wins it dosn't make me want to go light up a ciggy to celebrate. if it brings in the dough who gives a rats backside, so long as it's not in the contract that it has to be out for say 10 laps of a 50 lap race.

BTW love the Vodafone example.

NewsStalker · 17 Jun 2009, 20:07 (Ref:2485471)

It doesn't matter whether you may 'want' to light up or have a drink - Nissan's perception is obviously that THEY don;t want a S A F E T Y car to be associated with something that has a proven link to death (couldn't think of another way to put it).

Maybe the sport is full of advertising that to some shouldn't be there, but, IMHO, when advertising starts to appear on areas of sport such as this, then something is seriously wrong with the whole thing.

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