Why does Mazda (LMP2) even bother? - Page 4

Mike_Wooshy · 10 Oct 2005, 18:28 (Ref:1429892)

Truss no offence mate IT is the chassis as the back is a c60 while the front is a C65, (or thats what im lead to believe)
I think the team have done a great job this year with the tools they had !!

ger80 · 10 Oct 2005, 20:00 (Ref:1430001)

Hope there will be a second team next year, maybe with Lola chassis. Dont know much about the engine, but the chassis isnt the best.
they mixed it up with c60 parts because it was build in only a few weeks.
also courage had spare part support problems in the past .....

panoz.lmp1 · 11 Oct 2005, 13:21 (Ref:1430710)

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Originally Posted by ger80

they mixed it up with c60 parts because it was build in only a few weeks.

The C65 was build on the C60 chassis becauce they don´t want to make a new crash test

Dauer 962 · 11 Oct 2005, 13:43 (Ref:1430727)

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Originally Posted by panoz.lmp1

The C65 was build on the C60 chassis becauce they don´t want to make a new crash test

The BK Motorsport Courage has a C60 transmission due to lack of time when building it and also usal C65 gearbox doesn´t fit to Mazda engine. But don´t think really makes the Courage that much slower.

ger80 · 11 Oct 2005, 16:27 (Ref:1430863)

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The C65 was build on the C60 chassis becauce they don´t want to make a new crash test

Maybe, but the BK Courage is more a C60 then any other C65 chassis

Dauer 962 · 11 Oct 2005, 16:31 (Ref:1430868)

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Originally Posted by ger80

Maybe, but the BK Courage is more a C60 then any other C65 chassis

Why ? Only cause of the C60 transmission ?

Mike_Wooshy · 11 Oct 2005, 16:33 (Ref:1430873)

nah
the entire back end im led to believe,

panoz.lmp1 · 11 Oct 2005, 16:49 (Ref:1430892)

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Originally Posted by ger80

Maybe, but the BK Courage is more a C60 then any other C65 chassis

Why? Please explain the differences.

paul-collins · 11 Oct 2005, 17:30 (Ref:1430931)

http://www.mulsannescorner.com/newsaugust05.html

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B-K Motorsport's Courage C65 currently runs at around 275 lbs. over weight with at least 100+ of that total being due to the fact that they are running a Courage C60 LMP900 X-Trac transmission and rear end assembly. Though this isn't out of choice but necessity. Dennis explained that the deal came together so quickly (the car was assembled in less than 10 days) that Courage simply didn't have enough C65 parts to put together a bespoke C65. Further clarification indicates that due to the height of the crankshaft on the Mazda engine and given the very short time period, the only option was to use the X-Trac in place of the usual Hewland.

panoz.lmp1 · 11 Oct 2005, 17:36 (Ref:1430935)

OK, the gearbox. What are the difference in the rear end between a C60 and a C65 (... i know: the bodywork - but what else?)

ger80 · 11 Oct 2005, 17:38 (Ref:1430938)

thx paul-collins,
didnt rember where I read it. Its realy not only the engine what makes them slow

panoz.lmp1 · 11 Oct 2005, 17:47 (Ref:1430948)

Does this mean that the C60 would be faster with the Hewland gearbox? ;-)

WMUCarGuy · 11 Oct 2005, 20:30 (Ref:1431138)

Why not slap another rotor or a turbo on there.

MulsanneMike · 12 Oct 2005, 01:04 (Ref:1431372)

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Originally Posted by WMUCarGuy

Why not slap another rotor or a turbo on there.

That is an intriguing possibility and I alluded to as much back in August with Dennis' quote:

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Dennis ends cheekily with this, "The 3-rotor R-20B is the beginning. What are we going to call the 4-rotor?"

TRuss · 15 Oct 2005, 15:22 (Ref:1434427)

I'm sure the chassis isn't where it needs to be. But, when seen up close, you can see that the car is just underpowered. The car isn't giving up nearly as much on corner entry as it is corner exit. Another rotor and another turbo would be great for them, as there is no replacement for displacement. I can't even begin to imagine how god awful that would sound. My ears are ringing just thinking about it. Maybe a second turbo would quiten it a little bit.

TRuss · 15 Oct 2005, 15:24 (Ref:1434428)

"quieten" I make that mistake all of the time.

AussieV8 · 17 Oct 2005, 05:25 (Ref:1435676)

As we dont get much info about some of this racing down here it has been interesting to read about what you guys think of the Mazda. I have noticed that the RX8 took out the production series and the Mazda 6 is doing well touring car series in the States also. Hopefully we may se the new MPS 6 in the GT Performance class here in OZ next year. Lets hope that Mazda pick up on this project and throw in more $$$$

I would appreciate any sites or info on the Mazda if u have it please.

**skycafe** · 19 Oct 2005, 02:13 (Ref:1437519)

Design a newer version of RX-792, have Crawford build it. It would be a sensation and get more photo play then the Porsche RS Spyder.

therealdeal · 21 Oct 2005, 22:23 (Ref:1440187)

they are going to brin in a 4 rotor next year!!!!

Tim Northcutt · 21 Oct 2005, 23:24 (Ref:1440212)

I've read many references to the Mazda and the "loud" sound of the engines....

I was at Mid-Ohio...loved the pitch and sound of the rotary....and I NEVER wear earplugs at races.....

The IRL engines are louder...at least when you are on the main straight at Indy...but the stands hold in the sound...they still seem louder than a Mazda engine, though...

The loudest engines (and the only ones that have actually caused my ears to hurt)...

F-1 engines...also along Indy's main straight....

gwyllion · 17 Mar 2006, 16:59 (Ref:1551250)

lmsr.net confirms that a 4 rotor engine is coming

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A Mazda-type friend tells me that they ARE working on a 4-rotor for future LMP application. This project is being developed directly with IMSA input and is not a maybe...it is a definite!

source: http://www.lmsr.net/mar85.html

Reinhold · 17 Mar 2006, 19:47 (Ref:1551408)

Hello. I am a new member in the forum from Kerpen - GERMANY.
I wonder if one of you guys could help me. I am looking for a Audio or Video Tape of the ALMS BK Mazda LMP2. Since I have heard the Rotative Engine in LeMans I would like to have that again. But the Mazda is only running in the ALMS in 2006. The same as the new Porsche RS Spyder LMP2. So is there anybody be so kind and send me a DVD or VHS including the two cars. For shure I will pay for that. I am a great fan of endurance and my plans for 2006 are: 1000km SPA, LEMANS 24h, 1000km Nürburgring, proximus 24h SPA FIA-GT. For a kind return of my message I would be very thankfull.

Dave_G · 17 Mar 2006, 21:10 (Ref:1551466)

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Originally Posted by Reinhold

I am looking for a Audio or Video Tape of the ALMS BK Mazda LMP2.

Here's one that's only a few seconds long, but the sound is there in all its hair-raising glory:

http://www.mulsannescorner.com/newssept05.html. Scroll down to the bottom and look for the video link.

I just wish it were a longer clip.

jhansen · 17 Mar 2006, 21:53 (Ref:1551490)

There are some podcasts available here. Including a Sounds of Sebring 2006 clip. Have you tried searching???

http://www.racingfanatics.com/

Reinhold · 18 Mar 2006, 09:40 (Ref:1551715)

Thank you guys for your help. I must say for your verry quick help. I really appriciate that.
But I am still looking for this longer run tape or DVD. Mayby some of you have the opportunity to record some of the 12h of Sebring at your local station. Please give me a note after the race is finished if someone could support me on this.
Well again, thank you boys for your big hand. Hopefully see/hear you later.

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