Brabham BT29 - Page 4

Chris Townsend · 6 Mar 2006, 09:53 (Ref:1548854)

Bryan

Most of this is new and useful stuff. We know this was Allan Karlberg's car in 1970 because the chassis number was given in a CP&A ad that season. Dick Doherty was a regular SCCA racer from LA who used a BT29 in 1971. He ran a March 722 in 1972 so gues that's where "Hatton" comes in. Frank Monise and Frank Monise Jr were again regulars in California SCCA [run a shop near Big Sur still I believe]. One of them [Jr?] runs a BT29 in 1975.
Some dates attached to the names would be useful but this looks like a solid Californian provenance

Chris

allenbrown · 15 Mar 2006, 18:25 (Ref:1549692)

This post marks the point at which an assortment of BT29 material was split out of the giant Brabham BT28-29-30-35-36 thread into its own thread.

Allen

Andrew Fellowes · 19 Mar 2006, 22:44 (Ref:1553128)

Some ads from Autosport

1972 June 22nd BT29/35 Atlantic for sale, Claremont Garage 01 458 2525
1973 March 8th, BT29 for sale, Autofarm, Ivor, Bucks
1973 April 5th, BT29 for sale, Dick Barker, Ashley 2279
1973 Oct.11th, BT29/35 Atlantic for sale, Rollington 74022

Bryan Miller · 20 Mar 2006, 06:21 (Ref:1553380)

Andrew,
As you are aware I have the original John Player Information sheets from Mallory Pk. 11/12-March 1972, and the Barker car is entered and noted in all paperwork as Dick Barker , Brabham BT29 - Ford- Eden BDA , and the same is in the Official programme.
Perhaps because it was changed to Atlantic/F2 specs Barker felt it was more a BT29 than a BT28 and entered it as such only he could tell us .
Bryan.

Andrew Fellowes · 20 Mar 2006, 06:52 (Ref:1553390)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryan Miller

Barker felt it was more a BT29 than a BT28 and entered it as such only he could tell us

Fine, not a problem. Where is he now? are we talking Ashley as in Market Drayton, Staffs?
any mention of Church Yards will not be an acceptable answer.

Ted Walker · 20 Mar 2006, 08:46 (Ref:1553620)

Dick Barker bought a new BT29-20 from Peter Bloor and sold his BT28 also chassis 20(am69-38 to Spencer Elton.

Andrew Fellowes · 21 Mar 2006, 05:42 (Ref:1555461)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ted Walker

Dick Barker bought a new BT29-20 from Peter Bloor and sold his BT28 also chassis 20(am69-38 to Spencer Elton.

Have I got this right Ted?
BT29-20 delivered to Peter Bloor in Sept. 69 for Matchets, who does not take delivery, then sold two years later to Barker in 1972.

Ted Walker · 21 Mar 2006, 06:10 (Ref:1555466)

No. It was sold to Mike Stowe prior to Barker.

Andrew Fellowes · 21 Mar 2006, 06:15 (Ref:1555468)

That was a fast reply! thanks Ted, you must be up early in the UK!

Ted Walker · 21 Mar 2006, 17:27 (Ref:1555869)

Some of us have a living to make !!!! Andrew

Andrew Fellowes · 10 Apr 2006, 02:39 (Ref:1575147)

Time for a review

Motoring News has a feature on MRD 10 Dec 1970 pp12-14 and has a table showing production to date. For the BT29, it has 19 built in 1969 and 29 built in 1970. A total of 48. A.B.

BT29-1
1969 Fred Opert for John Angus
2004 For sale USA $82,500

BT29-2
Original owner Bob May, sold to
1971 Tom Scott, killed at Daytona, remains then to Carl Whitney then to Ken Duclose
then to David Irwin, restored, sold
2000 to John Couglin, sold
2003 to Joe Blacker

BT29-3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12

BT29-14 AM69-31
Mike Hiss
Ernie Haze
Lou Povesi
Franke Bremante
1979 Tom Fudge
1985 John Treder
1985 John Hafkenshiel
1985 Lou Pavesi
1991 approx. Jim McConville to Steven Lunn

BT29-15, 16, 17, 18

BT29-19
1969 MRE to Cuthbert,
1972 A/S Oct 5th John Sabourin, 1st Silversone, M/N Oct 19th 1st Castle Combe
1974 Mike Utley
2005 Chris Ball? In ex Vic Preston jnr?

BT29-20 AM69-65
1969 MRE to Matchetts, to Mike Stow
1972 27th Jan. to Dick Barker
1973 A/S April 5th, p.64 for sale Dick Barker, 3,200 pounds, Ashley 2279
1973 A/S April 19th, p.52 for sale D.B., Standon Rock 412
no more ‘till
2006 Matthew Watts, UK

BT29-21, 22

BT29-23
Fred Opert for Even Noyes,
2005 Graham Lawrence for sale NZ

BT29-24

BT29-25
1970, A/S Feb.5th p. 26 Tim Schenken, Sebring
Harry Reynolds?

BT29-26, 27, 28, 29

BT29-30
1st Owner Ted Wenz, F Atlantic
2005 for sale race-cars.com, Lotus twink, $69,000
2006 for sale $65,000

BT29-31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36

BT29-37
Tony Griffiths hill climb, crashed Silverstone, new BT30 chassis
1970 A/S Oct 15th p.15 , for sale Tony Griffiths to full BT30 spec.
1971 Feb.18th p.4 Spencer Elton, BDA
1973 A/S June 26th p.47 David Render, A/S 6.10.73 p.49 Weston
1975 A/S March 6th p.50 (Render) A/S April 15th Render intends to sell.
1976 A/S 5th June p.65 BT29X for sale
1980 Prescott Hill Climb/Bugatti O.C. Shakespeare Company/P Robinson
2005 private collection UK

BT29-38, 39, 40

BT29-41 AM69-47?
1970 Autoweek Oct 24th,Alan Kahlberg, Seattle, for sale
Dick Dougherty
Hatton
Frank Monise
Barry Blackmore, new frame by Wayne Mitchell
2004 Tony Onley, for sale UK
2006 Warwick Mortimer

BT29-42, 43

BT29-44 AM70-119
Charlie Hayes new to Doug Brenner, wrecked, broken up for parts,
Or,
Hayes Racing Equip new to Larry Wright 15/12/70
1973 June 24th crashed Laguna Seca remains sold to Mark Bahner in 1973 or 4, retained to 1980, sold to Lou Pavesi, retained ‘till 1993 then to Steve Pike
1998 Jim McConville, retains 2006

BT29-45

BT29-46
Fred Opert for Al Lader, crashed, remains to Carl Whitney, to Ken Duclose to Marty Handshy, restored 1999

BT29-47
Fred Opert
Now (2006) Denis Lupton

BT29-48

BT29-49 AM70-

Ted Walker · 10 Apr 2006, 07:56 (Ref:1575257)

BT29-19.The 2ndMatchett team car. Been in same ownership in uk since late 70s. ChrisBall car is BT28. BT29-5 Nick Craw(USA) BT29-21 Jay Chamberlain(USA)Bt29-48 D Chapman (florida) BT29-20 Went from UK to France and then Belgium(was used in Historics late 80s with MAE)

Chris Townsend · 14 Apr 2006, 10:15 (Ref:1581112)

Ted, where did you get 29-5 as Craw's car from? Is that now or in period?

AM69/47 [no plate] said to be Graham Baker's USA car in period. Now with Tony Onley

Chris

Ted Walker · 14 Apr 2006, 12:21 (Ref:1581215)

Chris. I have noted it as "in period" Dont know where it is now USA I suppose ??

Andrew Fellowes · 17 Apr 2006, 22:12 (Ref:1587152)

BT29-21 does not seem to have been mentioned in the last 5 pages, (I had assumed with 19 built in '69 the last built that year was 29-20)

2000 Dec 4th http://www.nvo.com/brabhams/door/ '1969 BT29 for sale Lotus Twin cam etc., Jamie Chamberlain. $58,000'

Also on the same web page two more BT29's but only with AM numbers, 34-69 and 125-70, which I assume have been written in reverse by mistake.

allenbrown · 22 Apr 2006, 10:57 (Ref:1591684)

BT29-44 - the plot thickens. Ron Pohl just emailed me to say:

Quote:

I was just reading a thread on BT29s (a subject close to my heart) and see there is some uncertainty about Doug Brenner's BT 29. I can shed some light on the subject.

Phil Palm and I (the same guys who are referenced re surtees ts8 in your web site) I purchased it from Doug in1972 (I think). It was last raced in Bogota by Doug and the engine was not running (spun bearing). Phil and I raced it with some success in scca regionals (me) and nationals and one pro race at Riverside (Phil) . The car was damagedon the rad while towing to Road America for a pro event. Wayne Mitchell fabricated a new chassis for us and we continued to race it.

I ran into Wayne several years ago at a vintage race where he does teck inspection and he told me he still had the remains of the wrecked chassis. At the end of 1973, we sold the Brabham(to a guy who owned a Christmas tree farm, but I don't know name) and Surtees and I quit racing for a while to go to law school. ...

So that means the original frame was separated from the car but it doesn't really help explain the double history we have:

BT29-44 AM70-119
Charlie Hayes new to Doug Brenner, wrecked, broken up for parts,
Or,
Hayes Racing Equip new to Larry Wright 15/12/70
1973 June 24th crashed Laguna Seca remains sold to Mark Bahner in 1973 or 4, retained to 1980, sold to Lou Pavesi, retained ‘till 1993 then to Steve Pike
1998 Jim McConville, retains 2006

The other possibility is that Pohl bought Brenner's second BT29 and BT29-44 was his first one.

Not helping, am I?

Allen

**John Turner** · 22 May 2006, 13:11 (Ref:1616278)

Chris Ball's BT29, pit garage, Silverstone, 20 May, 2006

James Murray · 22 May 2006, 13:20 (Ref:1616292)

To avoid any confusion the car in John's photo above is BT28-42. The owner enters it as a BT29 and its history has been covered on the BT28 thread.

**John Turner** · 22 May 2006, 13:35 (Ref:1616304)

They sure as hell confuse me, especially if I cannot find a plate - shall I move the picture to the BT28 thread.

allenbrown · 22 May 2006, 14:25 (Ref:1616336)

John, it's probably worth having it in both places as it's an "overlap" car.

Ted Walker · 22 May 2006, 16:06 (Ref:1616399)

Chris Balls car is not an overlap car but a BT28 fitted with a BDA so he calls it a BT29 !!!!!!!!

**John Turner** · 22 May 2006, 16:17 (Ref:1616407)

Ted, you've answered the question I dared not ask! I've put a couple of pictures of it on the BT28 thread.

allenbrown · 22 May 2006, 16:23 (Ref:1616412)

"Overlap" in that it's relevant to mention on both threads.

Andrew Fellowes · 21 Sep 2006, 05:07 (Ref:1715181)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryan Miller

BT29-41 ............
History as advised is ex Alan Carlsberg , Dick Dougerty , Hatton , Frank Monise, B.Blackmore , spelling may not be correct on some names.

Importer/owner is Warwick Mortimer.

Bryan.

I see that this is up for sale at race-cars.com for A$160,000 ex New Zealand

Anuauto · 11 Dec 2006, 12:50 (Ref:1787930)

The car raced in Guyana Nov72 (and sold by Jimmy Fuller of Antigua to Mike Gill in Barbados later that month after an engine failure in practice at the Barbados races) and believed to have been a BT35 (or even BT28-8 updated to 35 spec?) has now been described by Howard Savoury (present at Nov72 Guyana races and then living in Antigua) as a BT29.
Both HS and JF (see BT35 thread) seperately and independently described the car last week as having been full F2 spec except for engine.

Over to those more expert than I.

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